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Re:Facebook's Adam Mosseri on Why You'll See Less Video, Mor... by CPLX on Monday January 15, 2018 @12:26PM (#16151896)
Why don't they just give us the ability to customize what we want to run on our feed?

Like we could choose chronological, controversial, event based, whatever, I'm sure they could be creative, some could be algorithms. They could keep the default they have now which most people wouldn't change. Then they could inject ads by whatever means they want and we could check them out or click on them or ignore them as we see fit and they could make a little money.

This isn't one of those "Why don't they just..." type posts where it's obvious why not. It's a serious question, like why can't they do this? I mean presumably there's some answer where they say that they have tested it and the current scheme increases engagement, or something like that.

That seems unconvincing though, clearly there's a problem here they are trying to address. It's a piece of software, can't they add some controls to how people use it?

Re:Facebook's Adam Mosseri on Why You'll See Less Video, Mor... by carlesfe on Monday January 15, 2018 @12:39PM (#16152004)
Agree. I'll add my $0.02 because I know FB engineers read HN, and also to provide material to n-gate :)

Everybody uses FB differently. Some people use it to share and read news. Others as an "aggregator" for different services (Insta, Twitter...). Others for groups. Or chats. Or to connect with businesses. I use it exclusively to share posts and pics with friends.

However, after years and years of using the "hide all content from (domain)" feature, the algorithm hasn't yet learned that I want to read zero news in Facebook. If I could block domains inside FB I'll be the happiest -- actually, let me whitelist a few pic sharing sites and block the rest of the web. For me, FB is not RSS. But, for some people, it is.

I love Facebook. I will not "quit". People who do that, I understand. But it lets me connect with people that I have no other way of communicating with.

Wrapping up, I'm sure that Facebook has identified 5-6 clear use cases of its platform. Why isn't the news feed tailored for them? I simply do not understand it. Give more of what I want, or my engagement will drop. Give me my friends posts, and a few ads in between, and I'll be a happy Facebook user, surely it can't be that hard?

Re:Facebook's Adam Mosseri on Why You'll See Less Video, Mor... by DashRattlesnake on Monday January 15, 2018 @02:38PM (#16152824)
> Everybody uses FB differently. Some people use it to share and read news. Others as an "aggregator" for different services (Insta, Twitter...). Others for groups. Or chats. Or to connect with businesses. I use it exclusively to share posts and pics with friends.

> Wrapping up, I'm sure that Facebook has identified 5-6 clear use cases of its platform. Why isn't the news feed tailored for them? I simply do not understand it. Give more of what I want, or my engagement will drop. Give me my friends posts, and a few ads in between, and I'll be a happy Facebook user, surely it can't be that hard?

You're approaching this wrong. You're not Facebook's customer, you're it's product. They don't care how you want to use it, they only care about what will keep you on it and seeing what they want you to see. They're not going to optimize their website to fit your preferences. They want to maximize their value metrics, not yours.

Re:Facebook's Adam Mosseri on Why You'll See Less Video, Mor... by save_ferris on Monday January 15, 2018 @01:42PM (#16152444)
> But it lets me connect with people that I have no other way of communicating with.

This is such an unfortunate and all-too-common mindset in our world. Of course there are other ways to connect with people. They may not be as simple to use. It blows my mind how much people talk about how tech can do amazing, world-changing things while simultaneously telling themselves that alternative methods of online communication simply aren't possible.

> Give more of what I want, or my engagement will drop.

Think about what you're asking from Facebook's perspective. You're threatening to reduce engagement if you don't receive a feature that almost guarantees a reduction in engagement across the entire platform because everyone will have more control to filter what they see. How does that make business sense to them?

Re:Facebook's Adam Mosseri on Why You'll See Less Video, Mor... by sushisource on Monday January 15, 2018 @02:11PM (#16152641)
That's a really uncharitable interpretation of the other comment. That's the way that commenter likes to connect with people he might otherwise not engage with. Sure, he could call them, or whatever you're thinking of - but probably, he just wouldn't. Facebook makes it easy enough that he can keep in touch with these people that otherwise might be too much effort.

Call that lazy, or whatever, but I think it's an extremely reasonable admission. Not everyone has the inclination to pour tons and tons of effort into maintaining a large social network purely through offline means.

Re:Facebook's Adam Mosseri on Why You'll See Less Video, Mor... by hkmurakami on Monday January 15, 2018 @02:22PM (#16152717)
A good friend from grad school (UK) emailed me last week. He had quit Facebook. I immediately responded and the interaction was much more meaningful than passive info sharing over Facebook. It was great to catch up, and get a more personalized and open message.

That being said it takes a lot more effort. Chances are it'll limit the number of people we keep in touch with. But that's probably not so bad, as it'll force us to focus on the people we care about most.

Re:Facebook's Adam Mosseri on Why You'll See Less Video, Mor... by mancerayder on Monday January 15, 2018 @01:53PM (#16152518)
This isn't one of those "Why don't they just..." type posts where it's obvious why not. It's a serious question, like why can't they do this? I mean presumably there's some answer where they say that they have tested it and the current scheme increases engagement, or something like that

My answer is: The same reason Chrome took away the ability to stop video autoplay. The same reason the Roku apps are crippled so, for example you can't filter search results in the YouTube app or skip Reuters ads in its app or stop Netflix from showing trailers simply by scrolling.

Because the world of media has transitioned from a come-and-find me to one of I'm-coming-at-your-attention. Kind of like TV used to be. Except now we have personalized coming-at-you.

That's why Facebook can't give you settings to fine tune your feed. It would ruin the coming-at-you.

And ad tech can't have that.

Re:Facebook's Adam Mosseri on Why You'll See Less Video, Mor... by dgellow on Tuesday January 16, 2018 @04:07AM (#16156780)
> The same reason Chrome took away the ability to stop video autoplay

You have a flag for that: chrome://flags/#autoplay-policy

Re:Facebook's Adam Mosseri on Why You'll See Less Video, Mor... by unmango on Monday January 15, 2018 @02:13PM (#16152659)
I disagree. Most people wouldn't flip the switch. And by most I mean 99.9% wouldn't even know what the option does.

I think the real answer is: adding such a switch would be very very hard UX-wise. Also imagine what would happen to users that flipped the switch and then never knew how to turn it back off, or whatever. You get the idea.

Re:Facebook's Adam Mosseri on Why You'll See Less Video, Mor... by mancerayder on Monday January 15, 2018 @02:28PM (#16152758)
I mean, I disagree with your disagreement, but do either of us have data to back ourselves up? The idea that people would or wouldn't do one thing?

I do know one thing: Facebook news has become a source of derision due to its quantifiable impact on divisiveness in the US politically. And a scandal erupted on the topic of Russia funding of political ads.

There's a fantastic article on the general topic of Facebook news here: https://medium.com/the-mission/the-enemy-in-our-feeds-e86511...

With all this mess, it's inconceivable that only .01% of people would toggle these settings.

I won't argue against the idea of the UI being too complicated, that sounds absurd to me although I'm no UI designer.

Re:Facebook's Adam Mosseri on Why You'll See Less Video, Mor... by rhizome on Monday January 15, 2018 @12:38PM (#16151995)
Why don't they just give us the ability to customize what we want to run on our feed?

It has to be the same for everybody; they have to maintain a consistent UX because it's harder to sell random reach to advertisers. Remember that you're not Facebook's customer, so this is a move to keep eyeballs from leaving.

Take away the tools that can be used for political manipulation and Facebook starts looking a lot more like Snap/IG/TWTR/some new thing.

Re:Facebook's Adam Mosseri on Why You'll See Less Video, Mor... by nradov on Monday January 15, 2018 @01:25PM (#16152348)
There's nothing random about Facebook advertising sales. Regardless of how your feed is customized, they know exactly who you are and what you're interested in.
Re:Facebook's Adam Mosseri on Why You'll See Less Video, Mor... by ocodia on Monday January 15, 2018 @01:01PM (#16152167)
"...because it's harder to sell random reach to advertisers. Remember that you're not Facebook's customer, so this is a move to keep eyeballs from leaving."

Exactly.

Re:Facebook's Adam Mosseri on Why You'll See Less Video, Mor... by tjoff on Monday January 15, 2018 @01:16PM (#16152285)
Random reach? Consistent UX?

The UX is the same, just the content is different (just as it is today, I don't get the same feed as you).

Re:Facebook's Adam Mosseri on Why You'll See Less Video, Mor... by oconnor663 on Monday January 15, 2018 @01:06PM (#16152199)
Just from the implementation side of things, you have a few problems:

- The majority of people will never seek out settings like this, so the engineering effort you spend on these sorts of classifiers is only going to benefit a minority. Facebook has a lot of engineers to throw at these problems, so that's not the end of the world, but all else equal they'll prefer improvements that have a better chance of helping the whole userbase.

- Trying to coax people to look at settings is tricky. Users have very limited patience for interruptions, and a lot of it is already taken up with important flows like "hey did you know your password is terrible?"

- Exposing settings like this kind of ties down some of the details of your system. Say you start with 6 different categories, and I choose 3 of them. Fast forward a couple of years, and now there are 30 categories. If I haven't changed anything, do I still have only 3, or do I now have 15? That's gonna depend on the details, of course, but one problem is that not everyone will interpret the old-categories-new-categories relationship in the same way, and some users are going to end up confused or disappointed.

- Users don't necessarily know what they want, especially looking farther into the future. Maybe it's an election year, and I get tired of politics, and I say "no political news for me please." A year later, maybe I'd be interested in some of the political news that's happening, but there's nothing prompting me to go back and change that setting. Trying to put a time-limit on these filters, or prompting users to change them, adds more and more to the clutter.

Re:Facebook's Adam Mosseri on Why You'll See Less Video, Mor... by jwong_ on Monday January 15, 2018 @12:37PM (#16151984)
Giving options for users is a slippery slope to making their application hard to use/give less control to them. In its current state, I don't see any social media websites offering control of their feed. They want to provide the maximum revenue to themselves, which means driving engagement numbers and eye time.

I imagine the majority of people spend much more time when these algorithms are working, even if they're just idling scrolling. What they're trying to address is flukes in that algo -- they want to keep their pie and eat it too. They want the high engagement numbers and are trying to combat the negatives that are making headlines.

I'd definitely like to see a social media site that's more about intentional interactions versus a raw numbers game of trying to keep me on.

Re:Facebook's Adam Mosseri on Why You'll See Less Video, Mor... by thrusong on Monday January 15, 2018 @12:31PM (#16151933)
I remember back in 2007 there was a control panel for News Feed that looked almost like a mixing board with faders. There were several in a row with different icons above (relationship status, photos, etc) and you'd move each one up or down depending on which content you preferred to see and others you didn't care about.

My news feed got a lot better after tweaking that, but they soon did away with it.

Re:Facebook's Adam Mosseri on Why You'll See Less Video, Mor... by JoshMnem on Monday January 15, 2018 @01:20PM (#16152313)
> Why don't they just give us the ability to customize what we want to run on our feed?

I think Facebook is a company that is based on insidious manipulations and deceptions.* It's about making the users think that they are freeing themselves and becoming more connected, when the company is actually restricting them and locking them in. It seems unlikely that they would give users control in a way that might make the site less sticky.

* I could provide specific examples, but it would be a long comment. I took screenshots of examples before I quit.

Re:Facebook's Adam Mosseri on Why You'll See Less Video, Mor... by JAFTEM on Monday January 15, 2018 @12:38PM (#16151985)
I don't think it's in Facebook's interest to lose control of how they make revenue.
Re:Facebook's Adam Mosseri on Why You'll See Less Video, Mor... by joering2 on Monday January 15, 2018 @12:51PM (#16152083)
Slight correction; its not in shareholders interest to make less revenue, and they are in charge. If it was up to Facebook engineers, I think they would come up with much more fancy tweaks and ways for you to enjoy your feed.
Re:Facebook's Adam Mosseri on Why You'll See Less Video, Mor... by balls187 on Monday January 15, 2018 @02:17PM (#16152686)
> Why don't they just give us the ability to customize what we want to run on our feed?

It's not our feed. It's Facebook's. It's designed to show you content based on your input, but not exclusively based on that input.

Re:Facebook's Adam Mosseri on Why You'll See Less Video, Mor... by rehemiau on Monday January 15, 2018 @12:39PM (#16152001)
Don't they? I don't "like" almost any pages, and I don't "observe" most of my "friends". In my feed I see only actions of people that are important to me.