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Re:Decentralized Blockchain-Based Electronic Marketplaces by UncleMeat on Sunday January 14, 2018 @06:59PM (#16147364)
I consider network censorship to be a feature, not a bug. I want airbnb to be able to enforce that hosts are not able to deny service to black people. I want my uber driver to have insurance and a quick background check. From the perspective of somebody in the marketplace I prefer having people who break the social contract removed. Now there can be marketplaces that screw this up and perhaps there is some place for a truly censorship immune marketplace but they will be niche rather than taking over existing systems.

Development is not free. Users generally want new features over time. A distributed 2000-era netflix service where people mail each other dvds wouldn't survive in 2018. Who does development without a middleman? Part of the reason why something like uber works is because drivers do not have the technical capacity to build their own system.

The idea that cryptoassets and associated systems is going to bring about a revolution that frees people from capitalism is insane to me. Wealth is amazingly concentrated among early adopters and difficulty curves are generally weighted hard towards benefiting a few early people. Why would a distributed marketplace suddenly bring the power to the people? You still need the capital to buy a car to be a distributed-uber driver after all.

Re:Decentralized Blockchain-Based Electronic Marketplaces by dane-pgp on Sunday January 14, 2018 @09:16PM (#16147974)
The feature you are looking for is not "censorship" but "reputation metrics" (in fact, they should be "uncensorable reputation metrics"). If a trusted third party (not necessarily Uber) told you whether a given driver had insurance, then your decision to transact with the driver could be based on that. (More likely, whoever made the app you use would do the "has insurance" check for you, and not show you any drivers that don't have insurance, and they would list this filtering as a feature of the app).

As for who is going to pay for this, the users can still pay money for the individual apps (perhaps they would get a commission from each ride they enable, unless a Free Software alternative emerged), and the app makers could pay a licensing fee to the third party that provides the insurance check or other reputation metric.

The real unsolved problem is how to decentralise a reputation system without it being subject to Sybil attacks or breaching people's privacy.

Re:Decentralized Blockchain-Based Electronic Marketplaces by adrianN on Monday January 15, 2018 @04:57AM (#16149604)
This only shift the responsibility. Now those with the authority to provide a good reputation decide who gets to sell their goods. For example you would probably have a problem with dangerous electronics in a decentralized market. Only experts can tell you whether the USB charger you're looking at is safe, so whoever moves first to become the defacto authority for electronics safety in that marketplace effectively controls who can sell.

Not that I think that this is a bad thing. As a consumer I want somebody else to take care that the things that I can buy don't kill me and I wouldn't trust some random commenters on the Internet for that kind of information.

Re:Decentralized Blockchain-Based Electronic Marketplaces by sharemywin on Monday January 15, 2018 @02:21PM (#16152715)
The world/internet as a whole is trying to figure out how to manage delegating authority(trust) aka fake news etc.

I think we are in the process of transferring from institutional authority to algorithmic authority.

Re:Decentralized Blockchain-Based Electronic Marketplaces by cgmg on Monday January 15, 2018 @01:50AM (#16148994)
Proof of Burn solves the reputation problem. Here's an example: https://www.openbazaar.org/blog/why-proof-of-burn/.
Re:Decentralized Blockchain-Based Electronic Marketplaces by mythrwy on Monday January 15, 2018 @12:52AM (#16148774)
To get a bad reputation some people must be burnt first.

And when the rep gets bad enough, no worries if it's a censorship/ban free platform. Just start over.

So there are some moral hazards. (Not that they can't be overcome.)

Re:Decentralized Blockchain-Based Electronic Marketplaces by avip on Monday January 15, 2018 @05:16AM (#16149669)
Looking at existing "reputation metrics" (amazon, yelp, TA) I can't help being pessimistic about the concept of self-regulating distributed reputation.
Re:Decentralized Blockchain-Based Electronic Marketplaces by tiuPapa on Sunday January 14, 2018 @11:38PM (#16148511)
Can a blockchain like steem be used to solve the reputation problem?
Re:Decentralized Blockchain-Based Electronic Marketplaces by annabellish on Monday January 15, 2018 @04:00AM (#16149400)
Blockchains propose a flawed solution to a specific problem. The issue that cryptocurrencies and friends are having at the moment is that there's a lot of other unsolved problems standing in the way of what they're trying to do, and those are difficult problems.

Which is to say, the question "Can a blockchain be used to solve [X]?" is answered "No" for almost every question.

Re:Decentralized Blockchain-Based Electronic Marketplaces by tiuPapa on Monday January 15, 2018 @10:24AM (#16151024)
Ah okay. What kind of flaws and what kind of unsolved problems?

Note: I am not trying to contradict you here, just looking to understand this whole thing from a different angle.

Re:Decentralized Blockchain-Based Electronic Marketplaces by atomical on Sunday January 14, 2018 @11:05PM (#16148411)
My experience with Airbnb is that they overlook some nasty, inappropriate behavior that hosts exhibit in favor of profit. Companies like Airbnb and Uber aren't self-regulating at all.
Re:Decentralized Blockchain-Based Electronic Marketplaces by TeMPOraL on Monday January 15, 2018 @05:11AM (#16149653)
Even more reasons to want an external party to be able to step in in such cases. I.e. censorship as a feature.
Re:Decentralized Blockchain-Based Electronic Marketplaces by cgmg on Monday January 15, 2018 @02:06AM (#16149053)
>From the perspective of somebody in the marketplace I prefer having people who break the social contract removed.

This statement is meaningless. What are the contents of this alleged social contract you're referring to? I bet your answer is going to differ from mine, or from the next person's.

Re:Decentralized Blockchain-Based Electronic Marketplaces by SiempreViernes on Monday January 15, 2018 @06:35AM (#16149901)
If you honestly believe these difference are large enough to make the statement meaningless, it means you also think you can't be around other people, is that your meaning?
Re:Decentralized Blockchain-Based Electronic Marketplaces by cgmg on Monday January 15, 2018 @12:23PM (#16151872)
This is why I asked you to clarify. Answer the question.
Re:Decentralized Blockchain-Based Electronic Marketplaces by SiempreViernes on Monday January 15, 2018 @02:37PM (#16152818)
You mean yes, you don't understand social interactions at all? I mean, you haven't asked _me_ anything, you asked some other user.
Re:Decentralized Blockchain-Based Electronic Marketplaces by cgmg on Monday January 15, 2018 @03:26PM (#16153123)
> You mean yes, you don't understand social interactions at all?

Do you derive emotional satisfaction from putting words into other people's mouths?

> I mean, you haven't asked _me_ anything, you asked some other user.

Then what was the point of your reply?

Re:Decentralized Blockchain-Based Electronic Marketplaces by wyager on Sunday January 14, 2018 @07:08PM (#16147418)
> I consider network censorship to be a feature, not a bug.

No one’s going to stop you from using an unfree, censorious system if you want to. However, we’re going to object vociferously if you try to force it on everyone else.

> I want my uber driver to have insurance and a quick background check.

The advantage of censorship-resistant markets is that added features are opt-in. I don’t really care if my uber driver is regulated according to taxi union rules, so I’d rather not pay the associated costs.

Re:Decentralized Blockchain-Based Electronic Marketplaces by bkor on Monday January 15, 2018 @07:32AM (#16150095)
> No one’s going to stop you from using an unfree, censorious system if you want to. However, we’re going to object vociferously if you try to force it on everyone else.

You didn't really answer the bits where he was more or less discussing government regulations. Your answer doens't relate to what he stated.

Re:Decentralized Blockchain-Based Electronic Marketplaces by wyager on Wednesday January 17, 2018 @04:46PM (#16172245)
I probably didn’t care about those parts of his comment. Why did you think I needed to address them?

Actually, looking back, which bits are you even talking about?

Re:Decentralized Blockchain-Based Electronic Marketplaces by QAPereo on Sunday January 14, 2018 @09:06PM (#16147926)
The average person wouldn’t even know what you were talking about, never mind actively trying to stop you from pursuing it. The only way they try to enforce anything on you is by dominating the market for a given service, and you are not going to change that.
Re:Decentralized Blockchain-Based Electronic Marketplaces by cgmg on Monday January 15, 2018 @02:01AM (#16149031)
How is your comment relevant to the GP? Did you mean to reply to someone else?