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Re:Neural Style Transfer for Musical Melodies by chestervonwinch on Thursday January 11, 2018 @11:36AM (#16125233)
I find this surprising, from the simplistic (and probably naive) view that images are 2D signals while music is 1D.
Re:Neural Style Transfer for Musical Melodies by kastnerkyle on Thursday January 11, 2018 @12:09PM (#16125531)
"Style transfer" also rarely works for object level transfer - it is more pattern based (high frequency content is often the "style" that is enhanced and transferred). Really nice transfers in practice sometimes require the object level content in the images to be similar, c.f. [0][1]. And all of this is coupled with really heavy human curation (people don't normally show their bad outputs)!

In music the "style" is the content in some sense. For example jazz has very different "style" than classical, at many levels (key and tempo choice/mode choice/melodic intervals/motifs/amount of repetition of said motif/how it varies/harmonization and chord choice/global structure (AABA format)) and it isn't easy separate what pieces make it "jazz", and what don't (what factors of variation matter).

The equivalent in images would be replacing objects as well as texture, to form a new image that is reminiscent of the original but also novel at multiple scales - think Simpson's "Last Supper" as the goal of a style transfer [2].

It is also hard because as consumers we are used to hearing high quality versions of these types of "style transfer" for some styles all the time - and we even have a name for it ... "muzak".

[0] https://raw.githubusercontent.com/awentzonline/image-analogi...

[1] https://github.com/chuanli11/CNNMRF

[2] http://s267.photobucket.com/user/wiro_bucket/media/last%20su...

Re:Neural Style Transfer for Musical Melodies by taco_emoji on Thursday January 11, 2018 @12:13PM (#16125572)
I think "cover song" is a more generic term than "muzak" for musical style transfer.
Re:Neural Style Transfer for Musical Melodies by kastnerkyle on Thursday January 11, 2018 @12:27PM (#16125718)
It can be, though some covers are "straight up", while others (generally the memorable ones) are practically a new creation in themselves, with a sliding scale in between. But for "cover song" meaning something like Hendrix's "All Along the Watchtower" or Coltrane's "My Favorite Things", I agree.
Re:Neural Style Transfer for Musical Melodies by euyyn on Thursday January 11, 2018 @03:15PM (#16127397)
Thanks for this detailed explanation. The Simpson's Last Supper analogy really made it click for me.
Re:Neural Style Transfer for Musical Melodies by teilo on Thursday January 11, 2018 @01:15PM (#16126209)
Even images, from an analysis perspective are far more than 2D. Think of the problem space: the types of lines, shading, coloration, blending of colors, overall structure, etc. All of this must come into play with style transfer.

With music, it's much more complicated due not only to the time domain, but also to the emotional content, the interrelationships of rhythm, tempo, chordal progressions, expression, timber, transitions from the simple to the complex, the way the music is layered, and how all these things are perceived by the listener. Like human faces, music elicits an emotional response that runs deep, and whereas the emotional content of a picture is relatively static, music's emotional content is dynamic and evolving. Music has its own "uncanny valley" between the machine and the human.

Think of a MIDI track that is generated by precisely laying out notes and velocities on a piano roll, vs. a track that is recorded live and captures the dynamics of the player. The difference is immediately obvious, and that with a track that is composed by a human.

Re:Neural Style Transfer for Musical Melodies by enord on Thursday January 11, 2018 @01:39PM (#16126484)
Sound (as we perceive it) is 2d by the time it reaches the brain. The cochlea works as a "discrete" fourier transformer, with little hairs that resonate around certain frequencies. It is the fact that sound could be encoded in 1d that was, at one time, astounding.
Re:Neural Style Transfer for Musical Melodies by contrarian_ on Thursday January 11, 2018 @11:46AM (#16125330)
Much more leeway for "unintended cheating" with 2D signals. Think of all the imperceptible patterns that could be used as distinguishers. ML methods basically search for these shortcuts.
Re:Neural Style Transfer for Musical Melodies by lioeters on Thursday January 11, 2018 @12:23PM (#16125669)
Wouldn't music be 4D, ąs sound in space through time?
Re:Neural Style Transfer for Musical Melodies by ben_w on Thursday January 11, 2018 @12:47PM (#16125921)
Only if you have a different track playing at every point in space.
Re:Neural Style Transfer for Musical Melodies by TheOtherHobbes on Thursday January 11, 2018 @01:22PM (#16126290)
Music isn't any more 1D than language is.
Re:Neural Style Transfer for Musical Melodies by enord on Thursday January 11, 2018 @01:35PM (#16126445)
We perceive sound two-dimensionally by spectral decomposition in the cochlea, so theres that...
Re:Neural Style Transfer for Musical Melodies by phelm on Thursday January 11, 2018 @11:47AM (#16125341)
how about 2d in frequency domain?