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Re:Stanford paper says rent control is driving up cost of ho... by Spooky23 on Monday January 08, 2018 @03:46PM (#16100342)
That’s a real stretch.

End of the day, short term leases make rents float at the cost of making renters second class citizens who cannot stay in any one place or area.

Rent control is a way to deal with that. It exists because voters care deeply about it.

Re:Stanford paper says rent control is driving up cost of ho... by civilian on Monday January 08, 2018 @04:07PM (#16100588)
But rent control only benefits the renters already in place. It hurts new renters to the area, by driving up costs.

You've got to address a moral judgement you've implicitly made: What makes the current renters of a city more deserving than the future renters who might move to the city?

Re:Stanford paper says rent control is driving up cost of ho... by crdoconnor on Tuesday January 09, 2018 @08:59AM (#16106147)
They are already making the city a valuable place to live. I've heard it called the 'schoolteacher paradox'. A brilliant schoolteacher moves to a new area and begins working at a school. Her effect on grades drives the school up through the rankings. This attracts interest in moving into the area, which drives demand for housing and voila, she just drove up her own rent. Her landlord gets to extract more wealth from her.

The high value of property in San Francisco is a lot to do with its proximity to amenities and services provided for by the very people suffering because of continually rising property prices. This is a highly parasitic dynamic.

If moral judgements are really your primary concern why are you advocating for eliminating a policy that allows a tiny bit of clawback from the pre-existing titanic wealth transfer that goes from renter to landlord?

Moreover, it's a policy that by and large keeps people who do necessary work.

There's a fair, economically efficient solution to all of this, of course: the 100% land value tax.

Rent control is merely a hack that offsets some of the gargantuan harm done by leeches extracting value from the communities surrounding them via untaxed land. I'd be fine with seeing it go... after implementing a 100% land value tax.

Re:Stanford paper says rent control is driving up cost of ho... by waqf on Monday January 08, 2018 @04:16PM (#16100674)
To be fair, GP did address that point: the current renters of a city have votes [in local government], and the future renters do not.
Re:Stanford paper says rent control is driving up cost of ho... by BearGoesChirp on Monday January 08, 2018 @05:19PM (#16101282)
I feel this response is confusing right with might. Just because some group has the political might to make laws that benefit them does not make those laws right, does it?
Re:Stanford paper says rent control is driving up cost of ho... by nradov on Monday January 08, 2018 @10:17PM (#16103306)
Right and wrong are almost entirely subjective on issues like this. What is the right level of political boundaries for people to have a vote in these decisions? Should residents of San Diego be able to influence housing policy in San Francisco? How about residents of Chicago, or Madrid, or Karachi?
Re:Stanford paper says rent control is driving up cost of ho... by civilian on Tuesday January 09, 2018 @05:24AM (#16104993)
I don't like the idea of residents of far-away cities having a say in housing policy in my city. But I'd also support a federal-level ban on rent control policies, based on the idea that it's a net-good if we encourage people to move to more efficiently allocate housing.

But I totally see how this is kind of hypocritical. I just want things my way, everywhere. :-] idk!

I suppose that the next-best thing is to have local control with freedom of movement. The United States and cities are kind of like this--- it allows for states and cities to try out different policies, and compete based on policy.

Re:Stanford paper says rent control is driving up cost of ho... by waqf on Monday January 08, 2018 @10:32PM (#16103392)
It doesn't, I was being ironic.
Re:Stanford paper says rent control is driving up cost of ho... by jtuente on Monday January 08, 2018 @05:13PM (#16101209)
Let's apply that same logic to refugees (red-lining, migrant workers, or really any topic of im/e/migration). Current citizens have votes and decide that refugees aren't welcome, refugees don't have votes and so cannot be welcomed.