Re:James Damore has filed a class action lawsuit against Google
by bmelton on Monday January 08, 2018 @02:43PM
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If the points are fungible (and they absolutely are) then what is the difference between giving extra points to <people not like x> and giving fewer points to <people like x>. How are they not functionally identical?
Re:James Damore has filed a class action lawsuit against Google
by 55555 on Monday January 08, 2018 @03:17PM
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This isn't quite the same thing, but i've always found it annoying how it's generally okay to say, for example, that Chinese people are good at math but it's not okay to say that any other group is bad at math, even though the former claim is a relative claim that is presumably understood to be comparative to other groups of people, who are (on average) worse at math.
Re:James Damore has filed a class action lawsuit against Google
by pm90 on Monday January 08, 2018 @03:43PM
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Why is it annoying? If I'm addressing a team of 5 people, I would much rather say that person A is amazing at math than tell 4 others that they suck at math.
Social skills are a thing, even if they're logically equivalent statements.
Re:James Damore has filed a class action lawsuit against Google
by johnny22 on Monday January 08, 2018 @05:04PM
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lots of folks are against that. Positive discrimination is a thing.
Re:James Damore has filed a class action lawsuit against Google
by coldtea on Monday January 08, 2018 @03:17PM
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>That's most definitely a cultural thing, and I believe its what diversity programs try to address.
If it's a cultural thing, why is one version (attitude/culture) towards it considered better than the other (and thus one has to be "addressed")?
Re:James Damore has filed a class action lawsuit against Google
by Veen on Tuesday January 09, 2018 @04:55AM
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> That's most definitely a cultural thing
If it is a cultural thing, then surely the correct response is not to mandate gender balance in corporate hiring practices, but to alter the education and socialization of girls. Whether it is cultural or biological, the results are the same: fewer women have the interest to excel in specific fields. App Camp for Girls might be a better approach than diversity hiring.
That's most definitely a cultural thing, and I believe its what diversity programs try to address.
> As far as his "conservative white male" discrimination claims, I've seen that too. My boss specifically requested candidates that are not middle-aged white males. But it's nowhere near the same level of discrimination that people of color or women have endured for decades. Perhaps the reason people don't feel sorry for conservative white males is that if they are rejected by one company they can keep trying and will find an "old school" company that will hire them. We have not had that luxury, for blacks and women it was 100 nos for every 1 yes. It's not that way for white guys, sorry.
I get that, but I think your boss was still wrong to think and phrase of it that way. No one should be disqualified simply because of their race or age. Give more points to minorities? Yes definitely. But reducing points because you're of a certain race and age just sounds icky, and is probably illegal.