Re:Eye Strain from LED Backlighting in MacBook Pro (2008)
by Zak on Saturday January 06, 2018 @06:47PM
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A lot of cheap mains-powered LEDs aren't using PWM, but running on mains power directly.
You can test whether this is the case using a smartphone camera and an app with manual shutter speed control. If you see scanlines just above and below, but not at 1/50s, your light source is flickering at 50 Hz, which is the AC frequency of UK mains power.
Re:Eye Strain from LED Backlighting in MacBook Pro (2008)
by pflanze on Saturday January 06, 2018 @06:50PM
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> A lot of cheap mains-powered LEDs aren't using PWM, but running on mains power directly.
Yes, I just added information about that to my comment, sorry for the race condition.
Re:Eye Strain from LED Backlighting in MacBook Pro (2008)
by gm-conspiracy on Saturday January 06, 2018 @08:46PM
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I find newer cars' brake lights at night very annoying with their PWM "trails".
Re:Eye Strain from LED Backlighting in MacBook Pro (2008)
by walterbell on Saturday January 06, 2018 @07:30PM
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Iris claims to perform brightness adjustments in software (GPU?), allowing the monitor’s PWM brightness to stay at 100%, for Win/Mac/Linux: https://iristech.co/iris/
I'm wondering if the Iris approach affects color accuracy, otherwise why wouldn't MS/Apple use the same technique?
Re:Eye Strain from LED Backlighting in MacBook Pro (2008)
by systoll on Saturday January 06, 2018 @08:04PM
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The Iris approach lowers the device’s battery life, and the screen’s contrast ratio.
Re:Eye Strain from LED Backlighting in MacBook Pro (2008)
by yardie on Saturday January 06, 2018 @06:53PM
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Could this be a difference in the dimmer. I’m in the US (120V vs 240V) and I had research carefully what dimmers were compatible with the dimmable LEDs in our flat. Sometimes the dimmer would hum, the LEDs would squeal, or they would go from 0 to 100% with 20% dimming.
Most LEDs are made in China and I doubt the Swiss are getting a specially manufactured ones. But old, incompatible dimmers are definitely a thing.
Re:Eye Strain from LED Backlighting in MacBook Pro (2008)
by Zak on Saturday January 06, 2018 @07:07PM
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It's not the LEDs themselves that are a problem there, but the driver circuitry in the "bulb"[0]. There are a fair number of these being made in the US and Europe, not just China. Significant numbers of LEDs are also made outside China - Cree manufactures LEDs in both the US and China; Nichia manufactures LEDs in Japan.
[0] Bulb is not really an accurate term here. Maybe bulb-replacement?
Re:Eye Strain from LED Backlighting in MacBook Pro (2008)
by pflanze on Saturday January 06, 2018 @07:02PM
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No external dimmers were involved. As I wrote, I opened up a bulb myself (sawed off the tip of the base) and saw electronic parts consistent with a switch mode power supply (dozens of parts including rectifier, capacitor, tiny transformer, rectifier, capacitor, IC for controlling it). I know I saw something different than was in the video for the UK version! No reason China can't produce both.
I know someone who puts a foil based filter in front of the screen, that may work somewhat better, I still haven't tried that myself.
I find it frustrating how almost all LED lighting installed in the UK is PWM based (if dimmed), or otherwise flickering (AC), too. And it's just a question of consumer expectation: if you buy an LED light bulb in a standard shop in Switzerland, it doesn't flicker, if you buy one in the UK, it does. Both bulbs use the new LED filaments, you can't tell the difference from looking at the bulbs, the difference is in how the power supply in the base of the bulb works. I opened up one of the Swiss bulbs and it had a proper switched-mode power supply (using a switching frequency probably in the 100 KHz range); I saw a video on Youtube by someone who opened up one of the UK ones, and the power supply was based on current limiting via capacitors (and then a rectifier), which leads to a flicker at twice the AC frequency (hence 100 Hz). There's going to be a cost difference of £1 or so, the Swiss consumers are apparently ready to pay for that, the UK population not (or the UK shops possibly pocket the savings).
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redshift_(software) (actually still using the command-line variant of an older version, e.g. "redshift -b 1 -g 0.9:0.9:0.9 -l $POS -t 5500:4800")