Leaving htop running freezes macOS High Sierra

Re:Leaving htop running freezes macOS High Sierra by andrewflnr on Friday January 05, 2018 @10:55PM (#16083753)

> Was this a clean install or was it upgraded from a previous version of macOS?

You do realize, don't you, that if this is a relevant question I already have cause to complain? It's been the future for some time now, give us reliable upgrades already.

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Re:Leaving htop running freezes macOS High Sierra by alwillis on Saturday January 06, 2018 @12:36AM (#16084022)

You do realize, don't you, that if this is a relevant question I already have cause to complain? It's been the future for some time now, give us reliable upgrades already.

Yes, it’s the future, but as I mentioned, the Mac I’m running High Sierra on is nearly 10 years-old—it shipped with a version of Snow Leopard, MacOS x 10.6.

That was 7 major operating system releases ago—pretty sure nobody at Apple tested upgrading from an operating system that hasn’t been supported by Apple in many years, not to mention all of the permutations of hardware, kernel extensions, file systems, 3rd-party software installs, etc.

This is the double-edged sword: no matter what Apple does, they’re wrong. If they don’t support older machines with the latest operating system, then it’s a conspiracy to force its users to upgrade.

If they do support older machines and can’t guarantee perfect upgrades from every version operating system they’ve ever shipped, regardless of the condition of the user’s machine and how well (or not) the machine has been maintained, they’re also wrong.

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Re:Leaving htop running freezes macOS High Sierra by andrewflnr on Saturday January 06, 2018 @07:25PM (#16088301)

I'm not saying it's easy, I'm saying they should have solved it anyway. For a company that prides itself on (and charges for) high quality user friendly products, reliable software upgrades should be foundational. The double-edged sword argument only makes sense if you assume it's impossible, when in fact it's only the preventable (given Apple's control) accumulation of cruft that makes it expensive. Upgrades certainly would have made a better investment than removing headphone jacks, or adding the touch bar, or almost anything that went into High Sierra.

Yeah, I'm an idealist. Sue me.

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Re:Leaving htop running freezes macOS High Sierra by yjftsjthsd-h on Saturday January 06, 2018 @10:31AM (#16085633)

> If they do support older machines and can’t guarantee perfect upgrades from every version operating system they’ve ever shipped, regardless of the condition of the user’s machine and how well (or not) the machine has been maintained, they’re also wrong.

Yes, a $50 billion company that doesn't run massive amounts of automated regression tests on one of its flagship products is Wrong. Come on, Microsoft manages to support absurd levels of backwards compatibility (see the discussion upthread about upgrading from Windows 1.0 to Windows 10), what's Apple's excuse?

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