You’re Descended from Royalty and So Is Everybody Else

Re:You’re Descended from Royalty and So Is Everybody Else by pedrocr on Thursday January 04, 2018 @10:21AM (#16070934)

The convergence at a later time sounds highly improbable. The total state of the universe is so large that this would only work if there was something forcing the timelines to converge and never by chance.

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Re:You’re Descended from Royalty and So Is Everybody Else by shkkmo on Thursday January 04, 2018 @01:33PM (#16072776)

Presumably, the number of 'possible' states of the universe is the exact same as the number 'possible' alternate universes. (Edit: unless you are using two different meanings of 'possible')

The question of convergence then simply boils down to: Are there any possible states of the universe that can arise from more than one prior state. Based on my limited quantum mechanics knowledge, it seems the only place this might be able to happen is in black holes: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_hole_information_paradox

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Re:You’re Descended from Royalty and So Is Everybody Else by darkerside on Thursday January 04, 2018 @12:15PM (#16072025)

Think larger scale. Mass extinctions should do the trick.

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Re:You’re Descended from Royalty and So Is Everybody Else by cs1717p on Thursday January 04, 2018 @10:50AM (#16071222)

I guess it would work if there is some kind of force that leads some timelines to go out of existence or converge back towards heavier nodes, something like a neural network structure.

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Re:You’re Descended from Royalty and So Is Everybody Else by travisjungroth on Thursday January 04, 2018 @01:03PM (#16072477)

I've always enjoyed the thought that there are multiple universes, and there are two opposing forces at play. Chaos causes the universes to drift over time. Another stabilizing force tends to bring them back together in the most efficient way possible. This stabilizing force is felt by us as experiences of fate, or a sense (or lack) of belonging. It's not that there's a preordained destiny, but a consensus among universes that you are either in or out of.

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Re:You’re Descended from Royalty and So Is Everybody Else by cs1717p on Thursday January 04, 2018 @04:50PM (#16074387)

Have had very much the same thought myself.

If there were two opposing forces, always exponentially self improving towards maximum efficiency in two opposite sides: 1) ordered/creative/perfectionist/preservative/etc, 2) chaotic/destructive/disruptive/etc... suppose our universe sits roughly in the middle of these two, does that not seem to explain where we are?

Also, given the seemingly limitless propensity of the universe towards balance, and its apparently limitless capacity in both regards, it would seem natural to infer that both forces keep going in ways beyond that which we can directly observe.

Intuitively, certainly, it seems very right. Of course, it also gels very well with countless esoteric/mystical beliefs going back eons as well.

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Re:You’re Descended from Royalty and So Is Everybody Else by CobrastanJorji on Thursday January 04, 2018 @03:16PM (#16073676)

Temporal backpropagation?

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Re:You’re Descended from Royalty and So Is Everybody Else by pavel_lishin on Thursday January 04, 2018 @05:37PM (#16074759)

The Hylean flow.

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Re:You’re Descended from Royalty and So Is Everybody Else by defo_nonconvex on Saturday January 06, 2018 @06:15AM (#16084773)

Sounds like something LeCun would say..."I actually invented time as a special case of a deep network back in 19xx...."

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