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Re:The Case for the Subway by rootusrootus on Wednesday January 03, 2018 @12:54PM (#16063200)
Portland has no idea how to deal with the growth we get now, much less anything that would qualify as a 'boom'. Traffic is frequently terrible with no real plan in place on how to deal with it. The canned answer is 'more bikes and light rail' but that's clearly not going to cut it.

Plus, houses are already getting quite expensive here, largely due to that UGB you mention. Unless we're willing to compromise on that (and as a long-time resident who appreciates being able to reach something like wilderness pretty easily, I hope we do not) then pretty quickly we are going to have SF-level housing problems.

Re:The Case for the Subway by Aloha on Wednesday January 03, 2018 @02:19PM (#16064124)
Portland; home of impractical solutions, for anti-problems.

I honestly love portland, but it doesnt want to be an urban area.

Re:The Case for the Subway by Frondo on Wednesday January 03, 2018 @07:59PM (#16067057)
"due to that UGB" ...

Man, developers always say that, and it's simply never been true. There's so much undeveloped land still within the UGB, and so many opportunities to build densely close into city limits--a lot of which is happening, but a lot more of which could still happen.

Portland does have a big housing problem, it's true, but the solution isn't in opening up the UGB--it's in getting more good jobs, and encouraging more entrepreneurship, so that folks can actually afford to buy the condos going up all over that city.

Re:The Case for the Subway by rootusrootus on Wednesday January 03, 2018 @11:41PM (#16068089)
Maybe I wasn't totally clear on my point about the UGB. I believe it to be the primary reason houses are as expensive here as they are. Sure, there are still some places to build within the UGB, but if you want your little slice of suburbia (single family home, a bit of grass around it) then space is tight enough to drive up the price quite a bit.
Re:The Case for the Subway by brewdad on Thursday January 04, 2018 @01:36PM (#16072792)
Housing is expensive in inner Portland. In the suburbs, prices are still quite reasonable. My house, a mile from MAX and 4 miles from "large tech employer" would cost 2x-3x in SE Portland. We love our 10 minute commute and still take advantage of Portland's foodie scene pretty much every weekend.
Re:The Case for the Subway by xyhopguy on Wednesday January 03, 2018 @10:14PM (#16067741)
Dang sorry man that wasn't what I meant. The Ugb encourages density as you said, which is quite good if you want a comprehensive transit system.
Re:The Case for the Subway by nwah1 on Wednesday January 03, 2018 @01:00PM (#16063263)
When density is high enough, and public transit decent enough, people don't need to own cars. In Manhattan, 85% of residents do not own cars. And that's with a terrible subway!