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Re:Intel Confronts Potential ‘PR Nightmare’ With Reported Ch... by panarky on Wednesday January 03, 2018 @12:50PM (#16063141)
How would you trade this knowledge?

Intel has already dropped and AMD is up. Maybe there's more to move, but first-order effects are at least partially priced in already.

But what about second-order effects? Seems like virtualization should be vulnerable (VMWare and Citrix), but maybe they actually benefit as customers add more capacity.

Software-defined networking and cloud databases should also suffer though it's unclear how to trade these.

AWS, Google Cloud and Azure might benefit as customers add capacity but there's no way to trade the business units. So what about cloud customers where compute costs are already a large percentage of total revenue?

Netflix should be OK but Snap and Twilio could get squeezed hard. Akamai and Cloudflare might have higher costs they can't pass through to customers.

And where's the upside? Who benefits? If the performance hit causes companies to add capacity, maybe semiconductor and DRAM suppliers like Micron would benefit.

Re:Intel Confronts Potential ‘PR Nightmare’ With Reported Ch... by autokad on Wednesday January 03, 2018 @01:29PM (#16063579)
First and foremost, dont buy Intel stock. This doesnt help, but I long considered Intel as a company that doesnt know what they are doing. Here is why:

I owned Intel back in 2010 when they bought McAfee for 7.8 billion. They said the future of CPU's and chip tech was embedding security on the chip. the real answer was mobile and gpus.

Not only did I immediately know this was a horrendous deal, it clearly showed that the CEO and management had no clue on their own market's desires and direction. At the time, I was hoping they were going to buy Nvidia, it would have been a larger target to digest at 10 bil, but doable by Intel at the time.

The MacAfee purchase turned out to be one of the worst large cooperate purchases in history. Had they invested the 7.8 billion $ blindly into an sp500 index fund, their investment would be worth ~19-20 billion.

Re:Intel Confronts Potential ‘PR Nightmare’ With Reported Ch... by abakker on Wednesday January 03, 2018 @01:10PM (#16063396)
Arguably, the only sane trade here would be to buy Intel and short AMD if you think the size of the move is greater than it should have been. However, there are many reasons not to do this until there is more information, and as that information comes out, it will likely be incorporated into the continual corrections in price. As to second order effects, don't count on this mattering. Unless you are planning on trading huge amounts of money, the risk/reward is probably not great. If you have to ask...
Re:Intel Confronts Potential ‘PR Nightmare’ With Reported Ch... by mtanski on Wednesday January 03, 2018 @01:09PM (#16063375)
I think the model for cloud vendors would be quite complicated. Not every version of the CPU and not every application is impacted as much (new intel processors with PCID will suffer less).

Add on top of that the fact that a lot cloud customers over provision (there's good scientific papers on how much spare CPU capacity there is). Cloud service providers that sell things on a per request / real CPU usage model (vs reserved capacity) prob benefit more.

Also, you can't just separate trading in AWS or GCE from the rest of the core business.

Potentially business units of DELL, HP, IBM, ... should do better as people use this as a justification to upgrade overdue hardware they should cover 5% to 10% lower performance (needing more units to cover that).

Re:Intel Confronts Potential ‘PR Nightmare’ With Reported Ch... by user5994461 on Thursday January 04, 2018 @12:48AM (#16068335)
Agree on that last paragraph. The only reasonable thing people can do is buy more hardware to cover the performance loss and/or buy more hardware that's not needed using the bug as a pretext to get the budget approved now.
Re:Intel Confronts Potential ‘PR Nightmare’ With Reported Ch... by monocasa on Wednesday January 03, 2018 @02:11PM (#16064026)
SDN might actually be OK. On the high-end they bend over backwards to not enter the kernel at all anyway, using stuff like DPDK. They stopped even using interrupts years ago.
Re:Intel Confronts Potential ‘PR Nightmare’ With Reported Ch... by gojomo on Wednesday January 03, 2018 @02:22PM (#16064149)
Possibility: a cloud vendor who mostly-uses-AMD, versus one that mostly-uses-Intel, just got handed a massive price/performance relative advantage.
Re:Intel Confronts Potential ‘PR Nightmare’ With Reported Ch... by Pica_soO on Wednesday January 03, 2018 @03:12PM (#16064599)
Automated ic-layout and software proofing benefits from this.
Re:Intel Confronts Potential ‘PR Nightmare’ With Reported Ch... by rufugee on Wednesday January 03, 2018 @01:08PM (#16063368)
Not sure why you are being downvoted. It's an interesting question. I'm in on AMD for the time, just to see how to flows.