Why the U.S. Spends So Much More Than Other Nations on Health Care

Re:Why the U.S. Spends So Much More Than Other Nations on He... by CaptainZapp on Wednesday January 03, 2018 @10:22AM (#16061676)

Thank you for the great response. Much appreciated.

  Their belief is not inconsistent because of the role innocence plays. Now you may disregard the importance of innocence here, but that doesn't make their views inconsistent

Well, what about a significant number of people executed, which were completely innocent? There are some absolutely galling stories out there about innocents being executed despite the fact that there were huge doubts on their guilt or on the verdict as such due to the conduct of the proscutor (withholding evidence, using known liars as witnesses, relying on more than dodgy "scientific" evidence, recanting of witnesses who had a personal motive to snitch in the first place, etc).

In that view the possibility of one innocent person being killed should automatically illegitimze capitol punishment. Apparently it does not.

While I can understand the stance of the catholic church I still think that logically you cannot oppose abortion, while supporting the death penalty.

You made me understand, however, that this inconsistency is not applicable to a lot of those people. It doesn't make it logically less inconsistent in my view.

Anyway, thanks for the insight. It's at the very least, very interesting.

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Re:Why the U.S. Spends So Much More Than Other Nations on He... by simula67 on Wednesday January 03, 2018 @12:02PM (#16062684)

> In that view the possibility of one innocent person being killed should automatically illegitimze capitol punishment. Apparently it does not.

> While I can understand the stance of the catholic church I still think that logically you cannot oppose abortion, while supporting the death penalty

I think that the Catholic view is that murder is defined as "intentional taking of innocent human life" and that it is immoral. In this case you are not intentionally taking an innocent life. Similarly in case of abortion, the church does not oppose treatments that could save the mother's life that could cause the child's death. Here, your intention is to save the mother's life, not to hurt the child. The loss of child's life is an unintenional but unavoidable side effect : https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_and_the_Catholic_Ch...

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Re:Why the U.S. Spends So Much More Than Other Nations on He... by replicatorblog on Wednesday January 03, 2018 @12:19PM (#16062834)

The official position of the Catholic Church (The most numerous Christian denomination) is in opposition to the death penalty: http://www.usccb.org/issues-and-action/human-life-and-dignit...

When Pope Francis addressed the United States Congress, he was chided by many for denouncing the death penalty which took 23 American lives in 2017, while staying silent on abortion, of which 652,639 took place in 2014.

There are certainly churches, typically evangelical, that are rabidly anti-abortion while promoting the death penalty, but it's less common in Catholic communities or even mainline Protestant denominations.

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Re:Why the U.S. Spends So Much More Than Other Nations on He... by ams6110 on Wednesday January 03, 2018 @02:33PM (#16064250)

Just in numbers though, the number of abortions performed in a day probably dwarfs the number of death penalty executions performed in a decade. If you'd agree to outlaw abortions in exchange for outlawing the death penalty, most pro-lifers would probably take that deal in a heartbeat.

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