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Re:NSA’s top talent is leaving because of low pay, flagging ... by snowwrestler on Wednesday January 03, 2018 @01:46AM (#16059062)
The movers and shakers of government in the U.S. are the elected officials and their political appointees. A lot of them actually do come from private industry or academia.

The staff of government have to work within whatever decisions get handed down to them from the political process. The political process does not always prioritize staff flexibility and initiative. To the contrary, it's a favorite pastime of politicians to play up public distrust of the government.

In terms of government staff, a lot of people go into the government not because it is generically stable, but because it's the only place you can do certain work. If you want to manage a public park, you have to work for a government. If you want to catch criminals (and your name is not Sherlock Holmes), you have to work for a government. If you want to fly fighter jets, you have to work for a government. If you want to create policy and regulations, you have to work for a government. Speaking of the NSA--if you want to legally hack into a bunch of stuff, you have to work for a government.

In competencies one can do anywhere, like deliveries or contract management, I think you're onto something with your idea of seeking stability.

But I think the attribution might be backward. It's not "the government is made inefficient and inflexible by the lower quality of people who work there." It's more like "the government is made inefficient and inflexible by political law making, which makes it hard to attract the most dynamic people."

Re:NSA’s top talent is leaving because of low pay, flagging ... by peoplewindow on Wednesday January 03, 2018 @05:32AM (#16059911)
You make it sound like "political law making" is a problem and some other form of non-political law making would be a superior solution. The performance of the civil services in dictatorships indicates otherwise: they're invariably more corrupt, more prone to latching on to bad policies and refusing to give them up even in the face of disaster and so on.

Governments don't refuse to fire incompetent people because of "political law making". They refuse because firing people is hard, emotionally draining, legally risky and something that managers will only do when properly incentivised. Without competition or profit there is no incentive to rock the boat and pick a fight at work, so why bother? Some noble idea of higher quality public service? Fat chance.

Re:NSA’s top talent is leaving because of low pay, flagging ... by snowwrestler on Wednesday January 03, 2018 @12:34PM (#16062972)
No, my point is not about democracy vs dictatorship or something.

My point is that in government, there is a hard divide between the people who make the rules, and the people who implement the rules. The people who make the rules are rewarded for distrusting and limiting the capabilities of the staff.

In private industry, it's the opposite. Executives ultimately are judged by the performance of their staff, and they have great flexibility in how they organize and delegate authority down the chain.

Firing is not the key secret to success. Dictators can fire anyone whenever they want, but as you point out, their governments are not necessarily any better, and in many ways worse, than the U.S.

Re:NSA’s top talent is leaving because of low pay, flagging ... by walshemj on Wednesday January 03, 2018 @06:54AM (#16060236)
Which is a problem with the US civil service that relatively large numbers of mangers are political appointees rather than career civil servants - the blatant abuse of handing out diplomatic postings to unqualified campaign donors is deeply corrupt.