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Re:Cleanup at the slaughterhouse by cageface on Sunday December 31, 2017 @01:27AM (#16039636)
Giving up meat entirely is an option everybody has. Plant based diets are not only cheaper but healthier. I switched to a plant based diet in 2017 and it's the best decision I've made in a long time. I feel better physically and mentally and feel better about the role I play on the planet too.
Re:Cleanup at the slaughterhouse by PostOnce on Sunday December 31, 2017 @03:47AM (#16039898)
Everyone who just switched to a new thing, vegetarianism, p90x, atkins, paleo, crossfit, standing desk, node.js, whatever, will tell you it's the greatest thing ever. You "switched in 2017", it's 2017 now. It would be more impactful if you said this 5 years on, and a lot of other people who'd been doing it for 5 years said the same.

There's a lot more to not-plants than a steak, though. Fish and milk and eggs and cheese and shellfish and who knows. That is a huge variety of food, of flavors, of sources and methods for farming, giving it all up is arguably as-healthy, not healthier, and certainly much, much more boring. Also, harder to sustain, it's easy to find food with meat in it, plenty of places have few vegan/vegetarian options.

Re:Cleanup at the slaughterhouse by cageface on Sunday December 31, 2017 @04:30AM (#16039959)
Plant based diets are nothing new. We have plenty of data on the long-term health benefits of this diet from many studies and many populations. There are Olympic weight lifters, triathletes, world class tennis players etc that have followed this diet for years.

It's true it can sometimes be hard to find vegan options, depending on where you live, but the situation has improved massively in the last few years. The number of vegans in the UK has almost quadrupled in the last 10 years, for example, with a corresponding rise in products, restaurants etc:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/food-and-drink/news/number-of-veg...

Re:Cleanup at the slaughterhouse by dizzystar on Sunday December 31, 2017 @03:48AM (#16039900)
Actually, moving entirely to plant-based diets is not feasible for everyone due to allergies and other food-related issues.

For a certain subset of the population, getting the appropriate amount of protein and other nutrients would be nigh impossible since those foods could make them incredibly ill or kill them.

Re:Cleanup at the slaughterhouse by cageface on Sunday December 31, 2017 @04:32AM (#16039963)
Sure. Many people are allergic to meat or fish too. 65% of the world population is intolerant to lactose. There will never be a single diet that works every single human on the planet. But the overwhelming majority of us can not only live but thrive on a plant based diet.

People also mistakenly put way too much emphasis on protein and not nearly enough on other nutrients. The average American, for example, gets way more protein than they need and not nearly enough dietary fiber.

Re:Cleanup at the slaughterhouse by dizzystar on Sunday December 31, 2017 @05:42AM (#16040098)
My basic issue with sweeping diet generalizations is that it often excludes many people. As someone who has this very problem, I am confused by the strange diets everyone is on. If only I had that choice! (I generally dissociate myself from vegetarians and their ilk because I loathe talking about it)

Regarding the topic of too much protein, nutrition doesn't quite work that way. You can't go tick-tock on your diet just because you have too much protein today; you will need protein until the day you die. You also need suger, fat, salt, and yes, fiber.

It's also quite wrong to say everyone could be on a vegetarian / vegan diet because you well know that it's quite dangerous if it isn't followed correctly, and lo and behold, the average American is overweight.

We can sort of blame the new trend diets for the lack of fiber.

Re:Cleanup at the slaughterhouse by cageface on Sunday December 31, 2017 @06:13AM (#16040168)
Heart disease is the leading killer in the US right now, the risk of which is almost zero on a whole food, plant based diet. Your risk of cancer and diabetes also go way up on a diet rich in animal products. Vegans are also the only demographic with a normal body mass index, and obesity is linked to many other health issues.

Which diet is dangerous again?

Unless you're eating a really weird diet it's almost impossible to get enough calories but not enough protein. Eating a healthy vegan diet is easy and easier now than it's ever been with the wealth of information out there.

Re:Cleanup at the slaughterhouse by anonymous5133 on Sunday December 31, 2017 @05:22AM (#16040045)
What percentage of the population suffers from these plant food allergies?
Re:Cleanup at the slaughterhouse by DanBC on Sunday December 31, 2017 @05:43AM (#16040101)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oral_allergy_syndrome

> Oral allergy syndrome (OAS) is an allergic reaction in the mouth following eating food.[1] It is a type of food allergy classified by a cluster of allergic reactions in the mouth in response to eating certain (usually fresh) fruits, nuts, and vegetables that typically develops in adults with hay fever.[2]

> OAS is perhaps the most common food-related allergy in adults.

Re:Cleanup at the slaughterhouse by cageface on Sunday December 31, 2017 @09:54AM (#16040757)
From the same article:

> It is usually limited to ingestion of only uncooked fruits or vegetables

I'm actually susceptible to this to some degree during hayfever season too. Unfortunately I can't eat some fresh, raw fruit during that time without getting a very itchy mouth. It's hardly a dealbreaker for a plant-based diet though.

Re:Cleanup at the slaughterhouse by FiveUperdan on Sunday December 31, 2017 @06:35AM (#16040225)
What sort of allergies or food-related issues prevent someone from going plant based? They'd have to be pretty severe, the sort of severe I've never met.