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Re:Accessibility Through Semantic HTML by nl on Saturday December 30, 2017 @07:23PM (#16038522)
Yes this is my point too.

That reaction is pretty disappointing really. It's the "crutches are fine, why should they want artificial limbs" that is really kind of insulting.

Re:Accessibility Through Semantic HTML by nerdponx on Saturday December 30, 2017 @07:30PM (#16038558)
On the contrary, I'm just trying to acknowledge that artificial limbs are not here and available for the masses just yet.
Re:Accessibility Through Semantic HTML by nl on Saturday December 30, 2017 @09:01PM (#16038905)
I can only hope that your level of apathy and contempt is not shared by more web designers.

Words like "apathy and contempt" do not seem to be "just trying to acknowledge that artificial limbs". Instead they are directly saying that people who hope for artificial limbs are apathetic and have contempt for the problem.

In-fact the complete opposite is true.

Re:Accessibility Through Semantic HTML by nerdponx on Sunday December 31, 2017 @07:36AM (#16040362)
People who hope for artificial limbs and sneer at attempts to make things more accessible in the meantime, yes.

When the tech is both widespread and affordable, you can start designing for the tech.

Don't even understand what bothers you so much about making pages more screen-reader-accessible in the first place. Great, I'm glad that you have experience in this area and can attest to the fact that screen readers don't always work even when HTML is semantic. But why are you actively resisting semantic HTML?

It sounds to me like you're saying, "It doesn't work well, so we shouldn't usw it at all." What would you prefer, div soup?

It doesn't even need to be the case that semantic HTML is a killer solution for screen reader users. Just needs to be better than nothing once you net costs and benefits.

So I'm genuinely curious: when is it better to not use semantic markup? Or when does the cost of using it become prohibitive?

Re:Accessibility Through Semantic HTML by nl on Sunday December 31, 2017 @07:51AM (#16040394)
Who sneered at attempts to make things accessible?

So I'm genuinely curious: when is it better to not use semantic markup?

It never is - but nevertheless it happens all the time. Perhaps you hadn't noticed it was exactly what this article was about?