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Re:I went full nomad and it almost broke me by eesmith on Friday December 29, 2017 @02:35PM (#16031424)
It looks like mosselman lives in the Netherlands. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15497755 . You are in Portugal (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8029643 ), which also has paternity leave. One difference, according to http://www.theportugalnews.com/news/portugal-among-best-for-... , is that:

> Portugal is the member state with the fifth longest period of paternity leave, with a potential of 21 weeks to care for their newborns. However, this report paints a different picture when it comes to the division of domestic chores. Here, Portugal joins Estonia, India, Japan, Mexico, South Korea and Turkey as among the countries where women put in three times more time on such tasks than their male counterparts.

That sounds in Portugal fathers are more expected to work/be a career man, and mothers stay home, than in the Netherlands.

Re:I went full nomad and it almost broke me by icebraining on Friday December 29, 2017 @03:21PM (#16031734)
Nah, we're too poor for that: before the crisis, 87% of women between 25-to-44 had a job here (now they're just unemployed, not voluntarily staying-at-home).

They do most of the chores despite having jobs. We're a very patriarchal society still.

Re:I went full nomad and it almost broke me by eesmith on Friday December 29, 2017 @03:46PM (#16031866)
Point taken.

That answers your own question, does it not? That is, fathers don't take time off to spend more time with their babies because they are too poor to risk losing that job?

(This assumes that men tend to be paid more than women.)

Re:I went full nomad and it almost broke me by icebraining on Friday December 29, 2017 @04:07PM (#16032000)
Fair enough, but I do know some (though not many) middle-class people who could afford it.
Re:I went full nomad and it almost broke me by eesmith on Friday December 29, 2017 @04:20PM (#16032067)
We don't know if mosselman is exceptional or typical of Dutch fathers.

That is, if only 10% take time off, and you only know 5 middle-class people who could afford it, then odds are that even at the Dutch level you wouldn't know anyone who does that.

I suppose it's possi ... okay, that was too easy. A search for "how many Dutch fathers parental leave" comes up with http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2015/06/just-one-in-fo... which says "Just one in four Dutch fathers takes parental leave".

Re:I went full nomad and it almost broke me by icebraining on Friday December 29, 2017 @04:24PM (#16032086)
Not sure how this conversation went into parental leave - I actually know fathers who've taken that :) But that's just a month or so. I was talking about working fewer hours (rather than stopping altogether) on a longer-term basis. I find that much harder to achieve than taking a leave, which is similar to regular vacations, which companies are used to handle.
Re:I went full nomad and it almost broke me by eesmith on Friday December 29, 2017 @05:50PM (#16032562)
I did consulting work for a Swedish company. They have very generous parental leave policies, including people who were on 50% time for a year.

I also read that in some of the European countries (I'm from the US) there is a right to part-time employment while on leave. I figured that mosselman was from one of those countries.

Searching now I found http://cepr.net/documents/publications/parental_2008_09.pdf from 10 years ago which says:

> Of the 21 countries studied here, ten allow parental leave to be taken on a part-time basis: Austria, Belgium, Denmark, Finland, Germany, the Netherlands, Norway, Portugal, Spain, and Sweden. Portugal is notable in that it gives parents an incentive to choose part-time over full-time leave: parents have three months of full-time parental leave or 12 months of part-time leave.

Based on mosselman's followup, my guess was correct.

Re:I went full nomad and it almost broke me by icebraining on Saturday December 30, 2017 @12:52AM (#16034049)
Thanks for the link! I had no idea our law allowed for that!