'Alien Alloys' in The New York Times' UFO Story

Re:'Alien Alloys' in The New York Times' UFO Story by andrewflnr on Friday December 22, 2017 @11:34PM (#15992946)

"Identify each atom individually" won't scale very far for complex materials. In short, I think it's unwarrantedly optimistic to assume that our current lab techniques, optimized for natural and human-fabricated materials, will immediately figure out (hypothetically) alien technology. No assumption is completely safe; even "made of atoms" is not guaranteed. Probable, but not guaranteed.

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Re:'Alien Alloys' in The New York Times' UFO Story by krapp on Friday December 22, 2017 @11:44PM (#15992971)

>even "made of atoms" is not guaranteed. Probable, but not guaranteed.

How is that not guaranteed?

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Re:'Alien Alloys' in The New York Times' UFO Story by comicjk on Saturday December 23, 2017 @12:17AM (#15993044)

It is possible that there are other stable particles besides the ones we know now (like protons, neutrons, electrons, photons, neutrinos, etc). And maybe they can form stable arrangements which are not atoms, but which can still interact with ordinary matter. In that case you could have a material that was not made of atoms.

I don't think a lump of such material is in a warehouse in Nevada, but maybe it exists somewhere in the universe.

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Re:'Alien Alloys' in The New York Times' UFO Story by krapp on Saturday December 23, 2017 @10:41AM (#15994533)

I would think those would just be made of different kinds of atoms but OK.

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Re:'Alien Alloys' in The New York Times' UFO Story by andrewflnr on Saturday December 23, 2017 @12:34PM (#15995185)

An atom is a particular type of arrangement of protons, neutrons, and electrons. If something is not made of protons, neutrons, and electrons in that particular arrangement, it's not made of atoms, by definition.

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