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Re:'Alien Alloys' in The New York Times' UFO Story by gfodor on Friday December 22, 2017 @05:46PM (#15991554)
As usual, the claim that #2 could possibly be due to pilots misinterpreting visual evidence is tossed out as a hand wavy excuse despite the fact that the cases investigated by the Pentagon are (allegedly) corroborated by targeting systems, radar and satellite images, and possibly more evidence not disclosed. The entire point of the revelations was that after bringing to bear the entire analytical arsenal of the Pentagon there is no obvious explanation remaining for these cases other that these objects indeed exist and have an unknown origin. (This doesn't mean "aliens.")

The entire story hinges on the credibility of the Pentagon officials and pilots interviewed. If they are credible with regards to the narrative around just how many resources were used to generate alternative explanations, then the media should stop building up strawmen that these specific cases were due to pilots being fooled by their visual system.

Re:'Alien Alloys' in The New York Times' UFO Story by valuearb on Friday December 22, 2017 @06:08PM (#15991642)
The problem is there is zero evidence of their credibility. Essentially it's an appeal to authority argument.

And the video itself doesn't show anything of the claimed behavior. No hovering over the ocean, no super fast motion, just a blob or smudge superimposed over a cloudy background as video pans around.

Re:'Alien Alloys' in The New York Times' UFO Story by StanislavPetrov on Saturday December 23, 2017 @06:26AM (#15993822)
Which is one of many reasons we need total transparency when it comes to government. Every "state secrets" arguments falls well short when it comes to the need for the public to know everything in order to make informed decisions. Without informed consent we simply live in a police state. "National Security" is always a distant second to the need for transparency. Democracy dies behind closed doors.
Re:'Alien Alloys' in The New York Times' UFO Story by garmaine on Friday December 22, 2017 @06:20PM (#15991725)
> The entire point of the revelations was that after bringing to bear the entire analytical arsenal of the Pentagon there is no obvious explanation remaining ...

The articles I read seemed to indicate this “office” at the pentagon was basically a one man show and was rediculed by his peers, probably receiving little if any analytical support.

Re:'Alien Alloys' in The New York Times' UFO Story by reaperducer on Friday December 22, 2017 @06:41PM (#15991831)
Worse, the office had an "I want to believe" poster on the wall.

Fortunately, the one man show had a red-headed skeptic sidekick.

Re:'Alien Alloys' in The New York Times' UFO Story by kevin_thibedeau on Friday December 22, 2017 @07:43PM (#15992131)
If this was real it would be classified TS and the leakers are subject to imprisonment. The US already has a ban on disclosing ordinary flight camera recordings without approval and getting the black bar treatment so how did this get out?
Re:'Alien Alloys' in The New York Times' UFO Story by nabla9 on Saturday December 23, 2017 @05:11AM (#15993642)
Don't mix narrative provided with evidence provided.

Not pilots, a pilot. All that project came up with was one pilot (Fravor) describing unusual event and none of the other three pilots involved or ship crewmen backing his story up.

Single person can see almost anything even if the observer is trained and trustworthy. As long as no other pilots collaborate the same event, there is little credibility.

Three senators earmarked millions into UFO research. Pentagon had to spend that money but they never took it seriously. Person running the project for pentagon seems untrustworthy. Now the process continues with organization whose mission includes inspirational storytelling, telepathy and electrogravitic propulsion.

Re:'Alien Alloys' in The New York Times' UFO Story by mherchel on Saturday December 23, 2017 @09:20AM (#15994233)
No, there were multiple F18s. Each with a pilot. Multiple radar contacts, with the associated radar operators.

Also, why do you say, "none of the other three pilots involved or ship crewmen backing his story up." That's not true.