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Re:Coinbase says buying and selling temporarily disabled ami... by brndnmtthws on Friday December 22, 2017 @12:16PM (#15989081)
Storing your coins on coinbase (or any other exchange) is pretty much always a bad idea. If you don't own the private keys, you don't own the coins.

Coinbase is not immune from failure, government intervention, or fraud. The insurance no doubt has limits, and if you've ever filed an insurance claim you'd know that if something goes wrong you'll probably be up a creek without a paddle.

Insurance companies almost always win, that's how they make money.

Re:Coinbase says buying and selling temporarily disabled ami... by 659087 on Friday December 22, 2017 @12:45PM (#15989341)
> Storing your coins on coinbase (or any other exchange) is pretty much always a bad idea. If you don't own the private keys, you don't own the coins.

The problem here for most of the people currently FOMOing in, is that there are no "good ideas" as far as coin storage goes. Storing on shady exchanges is risky, but due to lack of knowledge / technical skill, many/most would also be at risk of losing their coins one way or another if they held the keys themselves.

What this tells us, is that this technology isn't ready for mainstream use.

Re:Coinbase says buying and selling temporarily disabled ami... by brndnmtthws on Friday December 22, 2017 @12:48PM (#15989360)
The technology is there, it's simply a matter of disseminating knowledge.

It's not as if people are born with innate knowledge of personal finance skills. These are skills which must be learnt like anything else.

Re:Coinbase says buying and selling temporarily disabled ami... by mv4 on Friday December 22, 2017 @01:28PM (#15989685)
The really scary (or even shady) part to me isn't a complete outage, but a controlled selective one - where some functions become unavailable to some people. That creates massive opportunities for abuse.
Re:Coinbase says buying and selling temporarily disabled ami... by akhatri_aus on Friday December 22, 2017 @12:46PM (#15989346)
> Insurance companies almost always win, that's how they make money

Not exactly. They make money off pricing their insurance higher than the chances of it happening.

Re:Coinbase says buying and selling temporarily disabled ami... by brndnmtthws on Friday December 22, 2017 @12:51PM (#15989383)
Yes exactly. They make money by a) charging enough in fees to cover the risk and b) limiting the amount they have to pay out.

Just look at how health insurance works: without government regulation, most of the day to day healthcare you actually need isn't covered under the terms of the insurance. For example, contraceptives.

Re:Coinbase says buying and selling temporarily disabled ami... by defo_nonconvex on Friday December 22, 2017 @01:21PM (#15989633)
Err, a big chunk of their bottom-line comes from reinvesting the float, or just re-insuring and taking the spread.
Re:Coinbase says buying and selling temporarily disabled ami... by akhatri_aus on Friday December 22, 2017 @01:42PM (#15989803)
To do this you can only make money if the insurance is priced at more than the chance of it happening. Or the reinsurer wouldn't be able to offer any insurance either, & the float wouldn't exist because it would be paid back in claims.

Insurance runs on the same premise of making money a casino does. If there was no casino edge, there would be no cash for the casino 'float' back into bets.

Re:Coinbase says buying and selling temporarily disabled ami... by defo_nonconvex on Friday December 22, 2017 @02:00PM (#15989966)
Given a market in a steady state, as long as your (return+premium) rate is higher than your expected payout, you're still ok. So your premium-expected_payout could be negative and you could hopefully still keep the lights on, no?