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Re:Megan McArdle: The Great Stock Market Myth by adolph on Thursday August 12, 2010 @10:55AM (#1598226)
I don't know the specifics of the Bush II era plan. However, the operational idea of moving the government pension plan from a defined benefit model to a defined contribution model makes sense to me. Where to stash the contributions will always be a problem. The current imaginary Social Security lock-box seems to me as dishonest as the Bernard Madoff fund management approach.

I acknowledge that there are some other concepts involved. For example, Social Security has limited transferability--one's spouse and children may see some benefit but they can't inherit the face value of your contributions from you. This is a bug and a feature. If enough people die early enough, the unused and un-transferred amount can be used to pay for people who live longer and so withdraw more than their contributions. Without means-testing, there seems to be little social-justice in that.

Re:Megan McArdle: The Great Stock Market Myth by brazzy on Friday August 13, 2010 @08:28AM (#1600726)
The whole concept of "stashed contributions" is wrong. Money is a fiction. It's really about resource allocation. In capitalism, whoever has money gets a say in how resources should be allocated, but that does not change the amount of resources available (if there is only 1 productive worker for every 2 retirees, it does not matter how much money those have "stashed"), nor does it make much sense to construct complex rule systems solely to reconcile the allocation of resources to retirees with the money fiction.
Re:Megan McArdle: The Great Stock Market Myth by adolph on Friday August 13, 2010 @12:01PM (#1601267)
Sure, maybe "stashed contributions" is simplistic to the point of being wrong. It isn't that I'd like a better mattress to stuff paper under.

In my mind, money is an acceptable enough fiction that I can convince someone to allocate me a hamburger for lunch today. The fictional aspect of it is very handy in performing the time-travel of paying my future self part of my wages of today.

Times change and in the future a hamburger may require more or less money as it did today. My bet is that in the long run, that hamburger will be mostly the same or a functional equivalent will cost less because human ingenuity is an unlimited resource.