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Re:Dozens of Companies Are Using Facebook to Exclude Older W... by andrewflnr on Wednesday December 20, 2017 @10:30PM (#15976183)
You're forgetting about ethics. Even if your boss doesn't care about security, if you want to be a decent person, you need to at least try to prevent your system from becoming a tool to harm others.
Re:Dozens of Companies Are Using Facebook to Exclude Older W... by koolba on Wednesday December 20, 2017 @11:09PM (#15976373)
Hanlon’s razor comes through in full force.

The vast majority of people making agregrious security errors know no better. You could argue that whoever hired them shares or shoulders the blame, but to suggest they’re not decent people is a stretch. Most I’m sure are. They’re also likely infosec idiots.

Now if you know something is terribly insecure, understand what’s involved in fixing it, and go out of your way not to, then yes ethics come into play. I see that the same as an engineer (in the true sense of the word) staying silent on an issue involving automobile brakes that could lead to casualties. The consequences are not 1:1 but the ethical question is in the category.

Re:Dozens of Companies Are Using Facebook to Exclude Older W... by tluyben2 on Wednesday December 20, 2017 @11:55PM (#15976549)
I already have issues when I see something but I know no-one is going to pay to fix it, so what can I do? I report it, no-one cares; I might be able to fix it but then I do this for free.

If your bugs can hurt people (financially, physically) I think you need to work a bit harder to make sure it doesn't sneak into your work. Whatever you believe helps there (unit tests, formal verification, ...); if you didn't do all you could do because you are not paid for it (your boss tells you to add features, don't waste time on things that didn't break yet for instance), what should you do? Seems like a real issue for professional coders as there are not so many options; not many companies will pay to prevent these kinds of things unless they had a big issue before already (and someone(s) got fired / sued for it already).

Re:Dozens of Companies Are Using Facebook to Exclude Older W... by andrewflnr on Thursday December 21, 2017 @09:21PM (#15984782)
I'm normally on board with Hanlon, but "infosec idiots" who fail to educate themselves on basic security principles are guilty of negligence at best. There's no reasonable way they don't know that security is a real concern, so they should be looking into it. If they still fail, then we can go back to Hanlon's razor.

But as one HNer to another, I was really talking about your second case. To claim here that security can ever be discounted, as the person I was replying to implied, is pretty much inexcusable. Everyone here knows that security affects more than just your business, so no one here should be solely applying business logic to it.