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Re:Tesla big battery outsmarts lumbering coal units by stephen_g on Tuesday December 19, 2017 @08:15PM (#15966117)
Yeah, the contracts are ridiculous. Santos et. al. are locked in to exporting too much of our production to countries like Japan (more than they even need anymore I beleive), there isn't enough of the gas produced being sold domestically so prices locally have jumped significantly, but at the same time the international price has dropped so I don't think the export is even breaking even, and I've read that at this point we could import the surplus back from Japan (that we sold them originally) for less than what we pay on the domestic market!

This is a huge problem because gas is required for a lot of our industry, but also because of where it sits in the energy pricing mix, the gas price almost entirely determines the price of electricity - https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2017/07/truth-behind-electr...

The economists at MacroBusiness (I linked an article from their site above) believe a gas reservation policy (requiring the producers to sell a larger portion of their supply on the domestic market) could fix a lot of this.

Re:Tesla big battery outsmarts lumbering coal units by Intermernet on Wednesday December 20, 2017 @07:19AM (#15968944)
> I've read that at this point we could import the surplus back from Japan (that we sold them originally) for less than what we pay on the domestic market!

What's sillier is that apparently we wouldn't actually import the gas. I've spoken to people associated with the gas industry who have told me that we would actually buy a future allotment of gas from Japan, which would be pretty much directly supplied from Australian providers. In this case the Japanese companies basically become re-sellers who can undercut the local cost of buying the same gas, without that gas ever actually leaving the country.

If this is true, it doesn't surprise me. Australia has a terrible track record for taking advantage of primary resources. We've done similar things with iron ore, oil, gold, diamonds, coal and uranium (and probably pretty much everything else we dig out of the ground).

Re:Tesla big battery outsmarts lumbering coal units by nl on Tuesday December 19, 2017 @08:18PM (#15966139)
I don't think the export is even breaking even

That's not true. They signed long term supply contracts with a price that was profitable.

at this point we could import the surplus back from Japan (that we sold them originally) for less than what we pay on the domestic market!

This is true. That's the problem with long term contracts! But on the other hand they did guarantee the revenue needed to develop the gas fields.

Re:Tesla big battery outsmarts lumbering coal units by caf on Tuesday December 19, 2017 @09:12PM (#15966454)
A large amount of the exported gas is coming from pre-existing East Coast fields eg. Bass Strait that were already developed.

What's new is the liquefaction LNG export terminals.