Re:iPhone Performance Degrades as Battery Ages
by slg on Tuesday December 19, 2017 @06:45PM
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Electric cars have fundamentally the same problem and Tesla decided to attack it by hiding some of the battery's capacity when the car is new. While the car might report to the user it is 100% full, it might only be actually 90% full. The battery can therefore lose a decent percent of its capacity before the user will ever notice the difference. This decision was made because cars obviously have a longer ownership cycle than phones and a drastic drop in range as a car ages is a huge flaw. But I do wonder if any phone companies might start to rethink this decision now that we are seeing some people use the same smartphone for 3-5 years.
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Re:iPhone Performance Degrades as Battery Ages
by greglindahl on Tuesday December 19, 2017 @06:52PM
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There is absolutely no evidence that Tesla is doing what you say. In fact, if they were, this curve https://images.hgmsites.net/med/tesla-model-s-mileage-vs-rem... would stay at 100% for a while instead of immediately dropping.
Re:iPhone Performance Degrades as Battery Ages
by slg on Tuesday December 19, 2017 @07:09PM
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Yep, it looks like you are right. I was passing along second hand information that I never bothered to verify. After some Googling I learned apparently Tesla only hides capacity at the low end to prevent a user from being stranded. The default settings also prevent charging to 100%, but that is fully transparent to the user.
Re:iPhone Performance Degrades as Battery Ages
by greglindahl on Tuesday December 19, 2017 @07:13PM
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Thank you for looking! I've seen this "Tesla sandbags at the top" repeatedly on HN but you're the first person to respond when challenged.
BTW the car won't actually let you drive at low charge, so yes, you can be stranded because the car refuses to damage its battery. That's why it comes with a towing service.
Re:iPhone Performance Degrades as Battery Ages
by tormeh on Tuesday December 19, 2017 @06:51PM
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Li-ion batteries also last longer when kept between 30% and 90%. Several car manufacturers don't let you completely charge or expend your battery for this reason.
Re:iPhone Performance Degrades as Battery Ages
by greglindahl on Tuesday December 19, 2017 @06:54PM
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Tesla, for example, encourages owners to not charge beyond 90%, and refuses you let you drive below some number, which is around 20%, that it hides from the driver.
Re:iPhone Performance Degrades as Battery Ages
by UncleEntity on Tuesday December 19, 2017 @08:09PM
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I wonder how much driving style effects that too, racing around vs Driving Ms. Daisy?
Re:iPhone Performance Degrades as Battery Ages
by bri3d on Tuesday December 19, 2017 @10:25PM
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Discharging lithium batteries at a high C rate (C = Instantaneous Draw / Capacity) causes a different form of degraded life than storage at a high state of charge. And the major killer of lithium batteries is heat, which Tesla are known to manage well.
The biggest killer, though, is storage with the graphite electrode more than 50% lithiated - there is a gigantic step-up in capacity fade when batteries are stored with the State of Charge over around 90%, which Tesla are very smart to avoid.