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Re:BMW delivers its 100,000th electrified vehicle this year by BoorishBears on Tuesday December 19, 2017 @12:12PM (#15961716)
Seeing as you can get used 2nd Gen Volts for 20k I'm not so sure about that, and used 1st Gens for around 10k.

I cross shopped the i3 to the Volt when I was looking and the i3 feels like a car you can only justify by looking at the badge, it's seriously overpriced for what it is. Getting it used helps to some extent, but only by so much.

Leasing EVs is also not a bad deal, there's people who've gotten brand new Volts for ~150 a month with a minimal downpayments.

Re:BMW delivers its 100,000th electrified vehicle this year by cobookman on Tuesday December 19, 2017 @12:18PM (#15961781)
You can buy a new volt for 20-21k after rebates.

Volt also gets 50-60 miles electric range. And can do full speed on ice unlike the i3 Rex

Re:BMW delivers its 100,000th electrified vehicle this year by madengr on Tuesday December 19, 2017 @12:34PM (#15961949)
Which rebates?

Wife and I tried a Volt, but the rear leg room was horrid. I'm 6'5" and need to put the seat all the way back. Though for $21k by kids can suffer behind me.

Holding out for the Hyundai Ioniq plug-in hybrid. Looked at Prius Primes, but the Toyota dealers here in flyover country are all assholes (to deal with), and they won't stock any.

I have a Leaf, but my wife calls it a golf cart and refuses to drive it due to range anxiety. Thus she wants a plug in hybrid.

Re:BMW delivers its 100,000th electrified vehicle this year by cobookman on Tuesday December 19, 2017 @12:39PM (#15962009)
It's been a while but it's federal and state rebates. Then dealer sticker + dealer list rebate. farmers guild rebate (500$ and it costs 50$ to register). Then we got 0 down 0% financing.

This was in Santa Clara, CA. At freemont Chevy. I believe they sell the most volts of any dealer in the world.

Re:BMW delivers its 100,000th electrified vehicle this year by kqr2 on Tuesday December 19, 2017 @07:11PM (#15965793)
Is the Farmer's Guild Rebate still available?
Re:BMW delivers its 100,000th electrified vehicle this year by BoorishBears on Tuesday December 19, 2017 @12:36PM (#15961971)
Federal rebate is 7k, here in CT there's a 3k state rebate, some places get to stack municipality and power company rebates over that, bringing the final prices to incredibly low numbers.
Re:BMW delivers its 100,000th electrified vehicle this year by madengr on Tuesday December 19, 2017 @12:41PM (#15962024)
No state rebates here in KS, though the Leaf rebates were $10k from the local power company + $7,500 federal.

Does the new federal tax bill preserve the EV credit? Last I heard it was chopped.

Re:BMW delivers its 100,000th electrified vehicle this year by BoorishBears on Tuesday December 19, 2017 @02:22PM (#15963227)
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-tax-autos/republican-...

It's fine, I'd be very surprised if it was repealed, automakers would be left very unhappy since it's been shown time and time again, current EV sales are very reliant on those credits, and they're a powerful lobby.

Re:BMW delivers its 100,000th electrified vehicle this year by BoorishBears on Tuesday December 19, 2017 @12:28PM (#15961886)
It's actually (slightly) faster on it's ICE. It does feel slightly more sluggish because throttle response becomes more dependent on the ICE, but once the ICE kicks in with the batteries towards the 30-60 MPH it goes slightly faster
Re:BMW delivers its 100,000th electrified vehicle this year by cobookman on Tuesday December 19, 2017 @12:37PM (#15961978)
https://insideevs.com/bmw-i3-rex-top-speed-depleted-battery-...

BMW i3 max speed on it's ICE is 70mph. Which sucks if you’re going on a road trip. I've only used my volts ICE when going on long road trips.

The Chevy volt had no issues going 80-90 on it's ICE.

To me the major difference is that the i3 is only a commuter car. And a good second car. Whereas the Chevy volt can be your only car.

Re:BMW delivers its 100,000th electrified vehicle this year by BoorishBears on Tuesday December 19, 2017 @12:52PM (#15962150)
I'm talking about the Volt, it's faster on it's ICE from 0-60, but going by my gut it's slower from 0-30 then faster from 30-60 because of the throttle response (and definitely faster from 80-101, the ICE and battery both kick in at full power)
Re:BMW delivers its 100,000th electrified vehicle this year by rjmunro on Tuesday December 19, 2017 @01:23PM (#15962514)
Is it possible to run on battery + ICE for a long range trip, or do you have to wait for the battery to deplete before the ICE kicks in?

I.e. only use the battery to get the last 10-20 kph of your speed.

Re:BMW delivers its 100,000th electrified vehicle this year by BoorishBears on Tuesday December 19, 2017 @01:54PM (#15962899)
You can put it in Mountain or Hold, Mountain waits till the battery hits ~25% and then tries to hold it.

Hold will (try to) hold the battery where it currently is.

Both essentially do what you describe, use ICE primarily and the battery as a secondary. The battery mostly ends up only being used under heavy acceleration at highway speeds (ie, to get your last 10-20 mph of your speed).

Re:BMW delivers its 100,000th electrified vehicle this year by ghaff on Tuesday December 19, 2017 @01:35PM (#15962656)
The equation arguably is different with EVs but one concern I have with used luxury brands like BMW is that out of warranty dealer service can get really expensive in a hurry. Although I'm not sure at this point how good a handle anyone has on the long-term costs of EVs vs. ICEs across manufacturers.