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Re:Bitcoin Takes Bigger Wall Street Stage with Smooth CME Debut by Nursie on Monday December 18, 2017 @01:46PM (#15954138)
With a credit card, all I have to do is raise a dispute. I was overcharged, I didn't get the goods, it was DoA and the merchant didn't want to know. Money back in minutes.

With BTC you have to really, really trust the merchant, because you can't compel them to refund you. Without the chargeback ability, a lot of smaller merchants would never get business in the first place.

Re:Bitcoin Takes Bigger Wall Street Stage with Smooth CME Debut by brendanw on Monday December 18, 2017 @07:40PM (#15956828)
You are not guaranteed to win a credit card dispute. Depending on the card, it takes a great deal of your time to file the dispute and continue to submit supporting evidence down the line. You are paying 1-3% on all of your transactions for this privilege; do you really want to pay that 1-3% every time you buy coffee? On the other side of the token is the merchant. How often do they lose out from a fraudulent credit card dispute? There are many businesses that refuse Amex for this reason among others.

The blockchain and smart contracts provide interesting ways to tackle these problems with clever and transparent protocols. It is not difficult to imagine a credit score system (https://hellobloom.io/) that is based off a transaction history tied to an identity token (https://www.uport.me/). In that case, merchants and customers can choose who they want to engage with based off reputation and history.

That is one way of doing a transaction with a merchant. Another way would be to use a hashed time lock contract that allows you to get a refund on demand. In that event, the merchant has to trust you.

As both a consumer and a business owner, I am excited to see a highly diverse market of options for how we do transactions, as opposed to a market dominated by 3-4 players.

Re:Bitcoin Takes Bigger Wall Street Stage with Smooth CME Debut by Nursie on Tuesday December 19, 2017 @01:30AM (#15958203)
I'm not guaranteed to win, but I am guaranteed to get my money back immediately, and have the case looked into.

The fees don't have much effect on me buying coffee and reputation based systems are a libertarian panacea that honestly, look nutty to the rest of us.

As a European consumer I too am looking forward to lots more options in the near future, some of which will ditch fees entirely,and none of them cryptocurrency based.

Re:Bitcoin Takes Bigger Wall Street Stage with Smooth CME Debut by brendanw on Tuesday December 19, 2017 @03:06AM (#15958550)
Right, but when you lose the case, you lose that money again, or vice versa as the business.

To many Americans and world citizens with less disposable income, you might seem kind of nutty to not worry about losing 3% on your under $15 purchases. Credit score and insurance industries are ubiquitous. For most folks if they move to another country you will often be penalized by that country's insurance or credit score agencies for not having recent history. There is certainly room for improvement.

Re:Bitcoin Takes Bigger Wall Street Stage with Smooth CME Debut by Nursie on Tuesday December 19, 2017 @03:59AM (#15958765)
Sure, but in the mean time,the consumer is protected, leaving them much more confident about trying new merchants, or about transacting at all.

And I'm not losing 3%, the business may be but I'm not in any way that's visible.

Further, there are new products and methods entering the market that require neither Visa/Mastercard nor a hideously inefficient PoW blockchain or multiple exchange parties.

Payments (in Europe at least) are likely to change in the near future, but not to that.

Re:Bitcoin Takes Bigger Wall Street Stage with Smooth CME Debut by brendanw on Tuesday December 19, 2017 @09:13AM (#15960296)
Links?
Re:Bitcoin Takes Bigger Wall Street Stage with Smooth CME Debut by Nursie on Tuesday December 19, 2017 @10:37AM (#15960886)
Keywords to search include -

  Payment Services Directive 2 (PSD2)
  Open Banking
This is what the EU payments industry are watching, according to my various links in that industry.
Re:Bitcoin Takes Bigger Wall Street Stage with Smooth CME Debut by def_true_false on Monday December 18, 2017 @03:50PM (#15955374)
There are countries where card usage is not as widespread as in the US, for various reasons. For example, in Germany most smaller merchants don't accept Visa and Mastercard.
Re:Bitcoin Takes Bigger Wall Street Stage with Smooth CME Debut by yeahsure on Monday December 18, 2017 @03:00PM (#15954909)
> With a credit card, all I have to do is raise a dispute.

And that's a real problem if you're trying to run a business.

Re:Bitcoin Takes Bigger Wall Street Stage with Smooth CME Debut by Nursie on Monday December 18, 2017 @03:04PM (#15954955)
You know what's a worse problem? Not having any customers, because nobody wants to get scammed and have no recourse.
Re:Bitcoin Takes Bigger Wall Street Stage with Smooth CME Debut by yeahsure on Monday December 18, 2017 @03:48PM (#15955357)
Having a choice is always better. You are not required to accept crypto currencies.
Re:Bitcoin Takes Bigger Wall Street Stage with Smooth CME Debut by Nursie on Monday December 18, 2017 @06:23PM (#15956381)
Nor credit cards, for that matter.
Re:Bitcoin Takes Bigger Wall Street Stage with Smooth CME Debut by yeahsure on Monday December 18, 2017 @07:21PM (#15956735)
That's my point. More choices = better for business. Not everyone is scared of being scammed because they pay with a crypto currency.
Re:Bitcoin Takes Bigger Wall Street Stage with Smooth CME Debut by Nursie on Tuesday December 19, 2017 @01:31AM (#15958205)
They will be, after a few bad experiences. And that never takes long.