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Re:The Real Danger to Civilization Isn't AI. It's Runaway Ca... by civilian on Monday December 18, 2017 @01:33PM (#15953980)
Runaway capitalism, oh shit. So that does that mean:

- Global poverty will continue to decrease

- We'll get a variety of options to choose from whenever we want to buy something

- We'll get to choose how to spend our own money

- We'll get quick and diligent service

- If we don't like something, we can choose to stop buying it or working for them?

The horror!!!!!

Re:The Real Danger to Civilization Isn't AI. It's Runaway Ca... by VonGuard on Monday December 18, 2017 @01:47PM (#15954151)
We'll also get highly optimized algorithms that sell us things we don't need through the use of psychology and the exploitation of human nature.

We'll also get rampant misspending of scientific research funds, which will go to boner pills and hair replacement techniques, rather than curing malaria or exploring space.

We'll also have the end-game for all capitalist nations be leadership that is completely bought and paid for.

We'll also have workers treated as useless and interchangeable cogs, while public markets sway back and forth, removing jobs, pushing mergers, cutting pay.

We'll also get things like McDonald's and Coca-Cola, two of the largest companies in the world, both of which are literally, 100% dedicated to selling addictive foods that are diabolically unhealthy.

Capitalism ensures people get what they want most. The problem is, people are fucking horrible, and what they all want most is cheeseburgers, soda, angry Facebook rants, fake news, and bigger dicks.

Sure, society wants much more than this, but at the individual level, these are the second-to-second motivations, and capitalism's atavistic psychic mining project always ends up down on this dopamine level of reaction in all things.

Humans can be wonderful and do good things. The problem is capitalism is a race to exploit the worst in human nature, effectively heading off those better instincts with porn, fast cars, and lap band surgery.

Re:The Real Danger to Civilization Isn't AI. It's Runaway Ca... by civilian on Monday December 18, 2017 @01:58PM (#15954263)
And what would your solution be? Because I imagine it would be government control on what we're allowed to spend money on. You are a totalitarian, and while it might be a "good" thing in some situations, that kind of power is quickly and easily corrupted. How long do you think you can last before regulatory capture happens? How long can you last before you're persecuting people for thoughtcrimes?

I'll take the "people can spend money on what they want" dystopia before I take yours. Because the capitalism dystopia to presented can be fixed by people changing their minds and changing their spending habits. Your dystopia can't change without deaths.

Re:The Real Danger to Civilization Isn't AI. It's Runaway Ca... by dgabriel on Monday December 18, 2017 @03:30PM (#15955186)
The government controls a LOT of what we can buy already. Sex work is highly regulated, and you can't buy people. You also can't buy endangered animals, ivory, or nuclear weapons.

In terms of people spending money on what they want, people spend lots of money on opioids and it ruins their lives, or kills them. Should doctors and pharmaceutical companies not be bound by any regulatory body? Should people just be allowed to OD on fentanil because they want to spend their money on it?

Re:The Real Danger to Civilization Isn't AI. It's Runaway Ca... by civilian on Tuesday December 19, 2017 @03:22AM (#15958620)
Lol, you're using the opiod argument because you think it's a slam dunk.

People who use drugs are not harming anyone with force or fraud. And if drugs were decriminalized, they'd be far cheaper, and drug addicts wouldn't have to turn to crime to pay for their drugs. The drug war is a massive failure and a huge civil rights violation.

I would also hope that, when drugs are decriminalized, the drug addict would choose a safer opiate, like simple morphine or heroin. Yes, they are very addictive, and they can cause overdoses, but if people could buy their drugs in a legal market they could actually get good dosage information and it wouldn't be cut with shit like fentanil.

Re:The Real Danger to Civilization Isn't AI. It's Runaway Ca... by Knufen on Monday December 18, 2017 @01:56PM (#15954248)
Please provide proof for or source:

1. Boner pills or hair replacement is worse or better than curing malaria or exploring space.

2. That the end game for every capitalist is leadership that can be paid for and bought.

3. That treating workers as useless and interchangeable cogs provide more profit than treating them fairly (assuming profit is the goal).

4. That abuse of McDonalds and Coca Cola being worse than abuse of literally anything else (Water in big enough quantities will kill you too).

5. That people are 'fucking horrible' and their second-to-second motivation is horrible.

You sound like every extreme socialist I envision. It sounds like you want a totalitarian government (made of humans) that dictate what exactly what people can do, eat and what not. It absolutely frightens me that you can condemm the entirety of the human race and also have the ability to vote.

Re:The Real Danger to Civilization Isn't AI. It's Runaway Ca... by pllbnk on Tuesday December 19, 2017 @06:17AM (#15959358)
I wanted to add my two cents regarding the algorithms selling us things we don't need. In my opinion, it in large part contributes to the global poverty and income inequality with the help of social pressure that haves put on have-nots who in turn try to catch-up any way possible, further adding pressure on themselves to be "successful".
Re:The Real Danger to Civilization Isn't AI. It's Runaway Ca... by jonny_eh on Monday December 18, 2017 @01:44PM (#15954111)
There are an infinite number of alternatives between communism and unregulated corporate capitalism.
Re:The Real Danger to Civilization Isn't AI. It's Runaway Ca... by civilian on Monday December 18, 2017 @01:51PM (#15954194)
You might read this: http://www.americanteeth.org/2015/06/21/why-i-m-a-capitalist...

When I think of the word capitalist, I think: "using markets to allocate resources & products". When you use that word, you think of... well I'm not sure, but it's some kind of boogeyman that you think is self-evident.

The author of the post is himself a social-democrat or some sorts, and supports redistribution, but he still recognizes the basics of how well markets work.

Re:The Real Danger to Civilization Isn't AI. It's Runaway Ca... by chrisco255 on Monday December 18, 2017 @01:50PM (#15954182)
Please show me a country where unregulated capitalism exists.
Re:The Real Danger to Civilization Isn't AI. It's Runaway Ca... by Clubber on Monday December 18, 2017 @02:02PM (#15954310)
Cartel Mexico?
Re:The Real Danger to Civilization Isn't AI. It's Runaway Ca... by dragonwriter on Monday December 18, 2017 @02:07PM (#15954373)
The fact that the nominal government isn't the de facto government of every part of the country doesn't mean that unregulated capitalism rules.

(Of course, unregulated capitalism is an oxymoron; capitalism involves active government intervention to enforce a very specific model of property rights; it is a particular application of regulation, not it's absence.)

Re:The Real Danger to Civilization Isn't AI. It's Runaway Ca... by YeGoblynQueenne on Monday December 18, 2017 @03:33PM (#15955214)

  - Global poverty will continue to decrease
  - We'll get a variety of options to choose from whenever we want to buy something
Well, except global poverty is most probably decreasing despite capitalism, not because of it.

May I also point out that beating poverty and making more consumerist products available, are not two goals with equal value? Same goes for the rest of the list in your comment.

Re:The Real Danger to Civilization Isn't AI. It's Runaway Ca... by ribosometronome on Monday December 18, 2017 @01:49PM (#15954172)
Many of the things you just listed have improved because of constraints placed on capitalism not runaway capitalism.
Re:The Real Danger to Civilization Isn't AI. It's Runaway Ca... by kenforthewin on Monday December 18, 2017 @01:53PM (#15954217)
Thanks for the "centrist" perspective, but over here in reality we are experiencing the negative effects of runaway capitalism, including the existential threat of global warming. But I'm glad you're getting quick service at your local fast food chain.
Re:The Real Danger to Civilization Isn't AI. It's Runaway Ca... by drb91 on Monday December 18, 2017 @01:43PM (#15954091)
Yes, consumption is paradise! :D
Re:The Real Danger to Civilization Isn't AI. It's Runaway Ca... by raintrees on Monday December 18, 2017 @02:05PM (#15954347)
I would be interested to see Mr. Chiang (I have enjoyed his other stories) separate the effects of government capture from capitalism. Part of what he warns against is the distortion of capitalism by power/captured government.
Re:The Real Danger to Civilization Isn't AI. It's Runaway Ca... by raintrees on Monday December 18, 2017 @02:06PM (#15954368)
Hint: It has frequently been suggested the United States of America has never practiced real capitalism....
Re:The Real Danger to Civilization Isn't AI. It's Runaway Ca... by tarnacious_ on Monday December 18, 2017 @01:54PM (#15954225)
Significantly decreasing intergenerational mobility is very concerning. Especially for those who aren't wealthy already.
Re:The Real Danger to Civilization Isn't AI. It's Runaway Ca... by kingkawn on Monday December 18, 2017 @01:43PM (#15954104)
An exquisitely fine balance of gnawing dissatisfaction held at bay by suffering