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Re:More than half of all private wealth has been inherited i... by gbacon on Sunday December 17, 2017 @08:31PM (#15948745)
How then is it possible that some four in five American millionaires inherited no more than ten thousand dollars, according to The Millionaire Next Door by Thomas Stanley?
Re:More than half of all private wealth has been inherited i... by kiliantics on Sunday December 17, 2017 @09:18PM (#15948931)
A millionaire is hardly wealthy these days. Upper middle class rich, sure. But not "an estate to leave to my heirs" rich.

Someone who got a good middle class start, went into the right career, and had everything work out pretty well (no major financial misfortune or an injury or sick family member) while saving responsibly, can become a millionaire in a few decades today. They can probably afford a nice house, which their kids can carve up to have their own nice middle class start.

This group of people is still insanely privileged but it is nothing on the obnoxious levels of real inherited wealth in the upper crust.

Re:More than half of all private wealth has been inherited i... by ataturk on Monday December 18, 2017 @08:41AM (#15951503)
Speaking as one, I can tell you that having a couple million takes the edge off of everything in life. You don't sweat buying a house or pretty much any new car anytime you want it. The monthly bills are in the noise as far as concerns in life. I still go to work every day but I won't be working until age 65, that's for certain; not full time, anyways. My kids will be able to be entrepreneurs if they wish, they have a comfortable fallback that I never had. Less stress in life is a good thing.

What's different today is that inflation and high taxes have wrecked the middle class. The truly rich are the $100M and billionaire types whose wealth has run away from the rest of the people. Almost none of the truly wealthy are that way because they were smart (merit) only a few are. The rest . got rich either because they were lucky or because of some angle they could exploit such as favorable connections or regulatory capture. Above them, Old Money rules the world by at least one order of magnitude.

Re:More than half of all private wealth has been inherited i... by closeparen on Monday December 18, 2017 @12:20AM (#15949622)
A median-income household owning a median-priced house and making the standard 15% 401k contribution will clear "millionaire" by retirement age, easily.
Re:More than half of all private wealth has been inherited i... by aaronblohowiak on Monday December 18, 2017 @02:55AM (#15950155)
And yet “Fifty-seven percent of Americans don't have enough cash to cover a $500 unexpected expense”. We suck at saving as a country.
Re:More than half of all private wealth has been inherited i... by Broken_Hippo on Monday December 18, 2017 @06:37AM (#15950957)
15% of those are in poverty. This doesn't let you save up money. One in two americans are low income. [1]. I'd not call these number exact, but close enough. Much of the group you describe only suck at saving because their income sucks. $50-$100 extra a month doesn't make it easy to save up $500 for an emergency. Literally months. Months with nothing happening. Not a flat tire, not a doctor's appointment. Nothing breaking.

This doesn't explain everyone in your category, though, so a portion suck at saving.

[1] https://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2011/12/16/well-of-...

Re:More than half of all private wealth has been inherited i... by kiliantics on Monday December 18, 2017 @11:45AM (#15952948)
There's a great reddit comment that explains this in a relatable way. It's very expensive to be poor:

https://www.reddit.com/r/TrueReddit/comments/1v4t18/it_is_ex...

Re:More than half of all private wealth has been inherited i... by closeparen on Monday December 18, 2017 @11:48AM (#15952979)
As the linked article points out, we have defined terms like “poverty” and “low income” relatively, so telling us the percentage of people they cover doesn’t convey any information.

The 57% figure is much more illustrative, in large part because it conveys an absolute capability which people can lose or acquire.

Re:More than half of all private wealth has been inherited i... by murph-almighty on Monday December 18, 2017 @10:10AM (#15952116)
15 percentage points, or 15 percent of the 57%?
Re:More than half of all private wealth has been inherited i... by Broken_Hippo on Monday December 18, 2017 @11:16AM (#15952653)
The first. The percentage would be higher if taken from the 57%.
Re:More than half of all private wealth has been inherited i... by closeparen on Monday December 18, 2017 @02:59AM (#15950169)
Most of the value contributing to millionaire net worth is going to be in 401ks and home equity, neither of which you could reasonably access to pay a $500 expense.

It would be pretty weird to have <$500 in checking at the same time as 5-6 figures in retirement + home equity, but possible. It helps that 401k is a payroll deduction and there's really no bargaining with yourself on whether to pay the mortgage this month (whereas it's easy to splurge instead of saving extra cash).

Re:More than half of all private wealth has been inherited i... by smsm42 on Monday December 18, 2017 @04:35AM (#15950501)
You can access 401k under "financial hardship", after paying taxes and 10% penalty. Of course, it's rarely worth it for $500 - it'd be better to find a credit card with 0% APR or other credit option, if you have access to those. I imagine most people with 401k's do have access to credit. Am I wrong?

You can also loan against 401k (though there are limits, but if you have it for a while loaning $500 would not be a problem, though again fees could make it a bad deal). Advantage is that while you lose the growth for the time of the loan, you are paying interest to yourself, not somebody else.

Re:More than half of all private wealth has been inherited i... by Broken_Hippo on Monday December 18, 2017 @06:31AM (#15950930)
"I imagine most people with 401k's do have access to credit. Am I wrong?"

Yes. Low-paying jobs at Wal-mart and Lowes and some gas stations offer a 401k. The contributions are tiny because the checks are tiny but the company usually contributes as well. These folks aren't as likely to have access to credit.

I'll put this as well: If you are looking to take $500 from your 401k outside of those groups, I'm gonna guess things have gone horribly wrong. Getting a new credit card might be a bit tough because your credit is probably already showing the hurt.

Re:More than half of all private wealth has been inherited i... by justinhj on Monday December 18, 2017 @10:16AM (#15952157)
Plus the fact that to a person with cash difficulties going to their 401k to get money wouldn’t be easy. Even if you can find someone to help you they’re going to mail you a cheque some time in the future. Hence the success of pay day loan operations that are more than happy to help you out with that immediate $500 emergency.
Re:More than half of all private wealth has been inherited i... by smsm42 on Monday December 18, 2017 @01:18PM (#15953826)
Hmm I didn't know Walmart offered company-matched 401k. In that case, if they have contributed there at least $100 (which I think should be possible with company match if you work fulltime) for a year, there should be enough money to take a loan of $500 AFAIK.

> If you are looking to take $500 from your 401k outside of those groups, I'm gonna guess things have gone horribly wrong

Yes, probably, but the question was is it possible, when the things go horribly wrong. I still think if you have 401k that should be possible.

Re:More than half of all private wealth has been inherited i... by kevstev on Monday December 18, 2017 @05:38PM (#15956148)
They actually have the most generous 401k plan of any company I ever worked for- a dollar for dollar match up to 6% of pay, with no cap. It also vests immediately.
Re:More than half of all private wealth has been inherited i... by wutbrodo on Monday December 18, 2017 @04:09AM (#15950408)
Cash and net worth are not the same thing.
Re:More than half of all private wealth has been inherited i... by Nuzzerino on Monday December 18, 2017 @06:50AM (#15951015)
I like to remind myself that being poor and being broke are not the same thing.
Re:More than half of all private wealth has been inherited i... by dragonwriter on Monday December 18, 2017 @11:53AM (#15953016)
> A median-income household owning a median-priced house

A median-income household is unlikely to own a median-price house for a reason very similar to the reason they are unlikely to own a median priced jet, because home ownership isn't uniformly distributed across income levels, as low income households are more likely than high income households to be renters, and high income households more likely to be homeowners (and to own multiple homes.)

If a median-income household owns a home, it is likely to be a singificantly-below-median-value home.

Re:More than half of all private wealth has been inherited i... by walshemj on Monday December 18, 2017 @07:04AM (#15951067)
your primary property isn't normaly counted in this case
Re:More than half of all private wealth has been inherited i... by tomlock on Monday December 18, 2017 @01:27AM (#15949856)
This sounds like a big number, but consider this - if less than 10% of Americans are millionaires then this means that millionaire parents are more than twice as likely to have millionaire children as non-millionaires.

This shouldn't gel well with someone who values meritocracy/social mobility.

Re:More than half of all private wealth has been inherited i... by njarboe on Monday December 18, 2017 @01:41AM (#15949903)
Parents have influence on how well their children do. Nature and nurture. Is this not the whole point of parenting?

If millionaire parents are only twice as likely to have millionaire children I would be surprised.

Re:More than half of all private wealth has been inherited i... by xorfish on Monday December 18, 2017 @06:47AM (#15950996)
Handling money responsibly is the easiest way to become a millionaire, not inheritance.

Upbringing is important and I think children of millionaires are more likely to develop healthy spending habits.

Re:More than half of all private wealth has been inherited i... by personjerry on Sunday December 17, 2017 @10:30PM (#15949190)
Isn’t this article about Europe though?
Re:More than half of all private wealth has been inherited i... by empthought on Monday December 18, 2017 @06:38AM (#15950962)
It's called "Thatcherism" for a reason.
Re:More than half of all private wealth has been inherited i... by tikhonj on Monday December 18, 2017 @12:36AM (#15949663)
I haven't looked at the data, but my guess would be that it's the difference between weighing based on individuals (number of individual millionaires) vs total wealth. The latter is going to be dominated by the richest part of the distribution.
Re:More than half of all private wealth has been inherited i... by contravariant on Monday December 18, 2017 @07:48AM (#15951247)
Clearly those four in five millionaires aren't responsible for much of the total wealth.