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Re:Volvo is reportedly scaling back its self-driving car exp... by maxerickson on Sunday December 17, 2017 @06:59PM (#15948401)
Waymo models "dynamic objects" and predicts what they are going to do. There's some diagrams of it in this report (page 9):

https://waymo.com/safetyreport/

I would guess that they already identify and track pedestrians better than the average human driver (mostly because I expect they do it at greater distance). Whether they model kids standing by the curb better is hard to say.

Re:Volvo is reportedly scaling back its self-driving car exp... by irq11 on Monday December 18, 2017 @07:56AM (#15951273)
A marketing document does not convince me. But even if I take this at face value, they’re talking about estimating future movements based on current trajectory, which is fine and good, but not the scenario raised by the OP.

If I see a child standing near the side of the road, I use more than the velocity and trajectory of the child to estimate future behavior: I look at the direction the child is facing, the overall situation (e.g. is the child playing a game?), what the child is paying attention to, and so on. A child waiting at a bus stop is a dramatically different scenario than a child looking across the street at a puppy. A short adult standing on the side of the road is dramatically different than a child.

This is a hard problem involving multiple levels of recognition and inference. I have little faith that it is solved. My suspicion is that the “engineering solution” is used (i.e. slow down when a human-probable object is near the road). That might work, but will lead to a car thar drives like a paranoid senior citizen with bad eyesight.

I have a suspicion that we’re going to look back in a decade and realize that most of these problems are fundamentally intractable, and that the best any system can do is react via human-encoded heuristics. If so, the path to full autonomy will be an asymptotic one; it will not happen quickly, but through decades of gradual refinement, with lots of fatalities along the way.

Re:Volvo is reportedly scaling back its self-driving car exp... by maxerickson on Monday December 18, 2017 @08:40AM (#15951494)
"human-encoded heuristics" contradicts intractable.

I think that the always-sensible speed choices of the automated system will result in a much larger reduction in pedestrian fatalities than any increase from the lack of subtle inference you are concerned with.

Re:Volvo is reportedly scaling back its self-driving car exp... by irq11 on Monday December 18, 2017 @12:44PM (#15953518)
If you think heuristic contradicts “intractable” You don’t understand the meaning of the word.

Intractable problems can be solved sometimes, just not reliably or in bounded time. If we get to the point where self-driving cars depend on human-encoded rules for reaction, we’ll simply be trading one set of messy heuristic behaviors (people) for another (robots with bad sensors and limited domain awareness).

Will the automated systems be “better” with enough time and investment? Perhaps. But dreams of a fatality-free automobile future will remain science fiction.

Re:Volvo is reportedly scaling back its self-driving car exp... by user5994461 on Monday December 18, 2017 @04:17PM (#15955611)
The heuristic is quite simple. Drive slower when there are children around, to leave enough time to brake if something unpredictable happen.
Re:Volvo is reportedly scaling back its self-driving car exp... by wellboy on Monday December 18, 2017 @09:01AM (#15951613)
An A.I. system with several million cars will have this exact situation several times a day, so after a few months, they sure have a lot more scenarios that a humans has ever seen or would anticipate.
Re:Volvo is reportedly scaling back its self-driving car exp... by irq11 on Monday December 18, 2017 @12:35PM (#15953429)
The correct response to “we don’t have methods to do that” isn’t “throw more data at it”.
Re:Volvo is reportedly scaling back its self-driving car exp... by wellboy on Monday December 18, 2017 @02:45PM (#15954776)
Of course they do, Tesla, Google are exactly doing that.