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Re:Volvo is reportedly scaling back its self-driving car exp... by icebraining on Sunday December 17, 2017 @11:13AM (#15946289)
There's no way we're going to simulate every single condition a car could encounter anywhere on Earth and get the cars to do the "right thing" 100% of the time by 2019-2020.

I like how you added "by 2019-2020", as if doing the right thing 100% of the time was ever possible - let alone the goal. Of course, it isn't - Level 5 is just as good as a human. And extremely rare situation won't be handled well by a human either.

Re:Volvo is reportedly scaling back its self-driving car exp... by skywhopper on Sunday December 17, 2017 @05:39PM (#15948085)
The important calculation then is how many different types of rare situations are encountered, what it means to be a rare situation, how often all rare situations happen in total, and how much better or worse the human or computer does. When I hear about Uber’s cars having issues with the apparently rare situations of, say, street lanes being restriped in a different place, or with delivery vans parked partially in a lane, I realize that much city driving is a bunch of rare unusual situations strung together in a row that requires constant improvisation. Construction, wrecks, emergency vehicles, delivery vehicles, weather, power outages, traffic signals on the fritz, funeral processions, pedestrians, loose debris from other cars, blown tires in the lanes, faded lane lines, parking lots, traffic jams, farm vehicles, moving vans... I think we’re going to find out that an acceptable level of automated safety ends up making automated cars so poor at navigating around the real world that it’s going to be a commercial failure.
Re:Volvo is reportedly scaling back its self-driving car exp... by sytelus on Monday December 18, 2017 @01:24AM (#15949843)
Problem is that self-driving company would get blamed for accidents for all of its cars. So imagine if you had 100,000 cars going around and you got sued for accident on every one of them. This aggregation of blame is core issue which otherwise gets distributed among millions of human drivers. This invariably requires that self-driving car must be many many magnitudes better than regular humans.

Even if companies figure out way to not get sued, its only matter of time until some very serious tragedy happens such as pregnant woman wearing same dress as color of sky crossing the road getting killed or car running in to school kids. Then there are obvious malicious usage such as modifying car sensors to fool self-driving system and purposely run in to people (cars as weapon scenario). One such thing and it could likely be the trigger for large public outcry, heavy regulations and finally game over for self-driving cars.

I think it might be more desirable to approach self-driving cars in more evolutionary fashion. We can start with self-driving only in less than 25 miles/hr scenarios such as heavy traffic OR sunny days on highways. Then we can start equiping our road networks with dedicated self-driving lanes, supportive beacons on roads and so on. Then gradually move towards make all lanes self-driving.

Re:Volvo is reportedly scaling back its self-driving car exp... by icebraining on Monday December 18, 2017 @11:04AM (#15952555)
Isn't that exactly what Volvo was doing, though? The self-driving system would only be available on certain pre-selected freeways.
Re:Volvo is reportedly scaling back its self-driving car exp... by jacquesm on Sunday December 17, 2017 @12:40PM (#15946702)
> And extremely rare situation won't be handled well by a human either.

Why not?

Re:Volvo is reportedly scaling back its self-driving car exp... by icebraining on Sunday December 17, 2017 @01:15PM (#15946876)
Sorry, I meant "an extremely rare situation won't always be handled well by a human either."