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Re:Firefox is on a slippery slope by krapp on Saturday December 16, 2017 @07:30PM (#15943152)
"Anything that uses Javascript" would include, as I said, almost the entire web, including sites which primarily serve text and act as documents, including Hacker News. View the source - it even uses AJAX.
Re:Firefox is on a slippery slope by librexpr on Saturday December 16, 2017 @09:57PM (#15943764)
I've just replied to you with JS disabled. I also created this account with no JS (this was a year ago). Upvoting also works without JS.

In my experience, of all the websites that don't work without JS, only a minority actually need it. Most of the time it's silly things like articles and blog posts that just show a blank screen without JS, or drop-down menus that rely on JS even though there are perfectly fine non-JS ways to do it, etc.

Re:Firefox is on a slippery slope by c22 on Saturday December 16, 2017 @10:02PM (#15943781)
"Anything that requires JavaScript" might be a better criteria. Hn gracefully falls back without JavaScript enabled because it's not necessary, just some added convenience.
Re:Firefox is on a slippery slope by krapp on Sunday December 17, 2017 @05:18AM (#15945131)
Even then, sites which lack graceful degradation aren't so qualitatively different from the few that do that they need to be moved to an entirely different platform, viewed from a different device and considered "applications" and not "documents." That seems like throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

What does make sense to me is a new platform based on WASM, with related tooling. Photoshop in the browser or something running the Unreal Engine or .Net is not the web enough to maybe deserve its own thing. But a new platform based on what are essentially complaints about complexity or efficiency would be too messy.

Re:Firefox is on a slippery slope by ethbro on Saturday December 16, 2017 @11:51PM (#15944191)
Yes.

Right now there's next to zero incentive not to use JavaScript. And only slightly more to engineer a working fallback page.

Bifurcating the web would provide one.

Re:Firefox is on a slippery slope by krapp on Sunday December 17, 2017 @05:32AM (#15945165)
You're arguing for a technical solution to what is essentially a cultural problem.
Re:Firefox is on a slippery slope by ethbro on Monday December 18, 2017 @05:37PM (#15956138)
I'd argue that the cultural problem (sites being VM-tech-heavy) is caused by a technology choice (never saying "this much technology is sufficient for a large part of the web").

Or to put it another way, extrapolated down this path README.txt files on the web in the future will only be accessible with a pair of VR goggles.