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Re:Grit is a muscle, train it by emodendroket on Saturday December 16, 2017 @01:11PM (#15940786)
I'm completely sick of hearing about "grit" in any context not involving corn (I'll give John Wayne a special dispensation). Can we move on to the next pop-psych concept that explains everything?
Re:Grit is a muscle, train it by 0xcde4c3db on Saturday December 16, 2017 @01:40PM (#15941014)
I'm mostly tired of hearing about it because it seems like it's always a kind of sales pitch and almost never a clear description of what it actually is and what the evidence says about it. Even when the author/presenter/etc. has an actual academic background in psychology, it feels more like they're trying to get me to join their religion than describing their research.
Re:Grit is a muscle, train it by emodendroket on Saturday December 16, 2017 @02:43PM (#15941501)
Well, yeah, it's mostly used as some sort of cross between self-help and Malcolm Gladwell. I think a lot of people like it because, you know, if "grit" is all that matters, then perhaps we do, Candide-like, live in the best of all possible worlds, and nothing has to be changed.
Re:Grit is a muscle, train it by eesmith on Saturday December 16, 2017 @03:11PM (#15941715)
I think it's worse. It's used to blame students with below-average grades, and blame schools where the students have worse-than-average grades, and blame poor people. See, if they only had grit they could succeed.

I am a fan of the blogger Peter Greene, a high school teacher in Pennsylvania. He frequently talks about the negative sides of grit. I'll quote from him, as he says what I would like to say, and is better about it. The quote is from http://curmudgucation.blogspot.com/2015/01/what-doesnt-kill-... concerning a Washington Post editorial by Virgie Townsend titled "What doesn't kill you doesn't necessarily make you stronger" http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/what-doesnt-kill-you-... . Greene commented:

> Townsend goes on to catalog, from the Puritans through Teddy Roosevelt through Helen Keller through Oprah, how we love the story of redeeming and clarifying suffering. I would add that it's worth noticing that one of the first things people do in these stories of growth and strength is they stop suffering. It's not like cake. Nobody (well, almost nobody) says, "Wow. That was so good, I think I'll have some more." Suffering in these stories is so good for the hero, and yet the progression, the path, is to move away from it as swiftly as possible. So I'm going to call our attitude confused, at best.

> Townsend notes that we all benefit from "life's healthy and normal challenges." But researchers have found that "traumatic incidents often have long-term negative consequences." Childhood abuse or trauma can result in toxic stress-- stress that is literally poison to the body. "In work published in 2012, Harvard researchers found that people who had been mistreated as children had, on average, a 6 percent loss in volume in their hippocampi, a part of the brain involved with learning and memory. Toxic stress also damages the prefrontal cortex, which is linked to social behavior and decision-making, and the cardiovascular and immune systems."

> Research suggests that childhood trauma increases the risk of cancer, heart disease, mental health issues and (surprise) poor school performance. "A 2009 study in the American Journal of Preventive Medicine reported that people who had six or more adverse childhood experiences died, on average, 20 years sooner than those who had none."

> The classic story of redemption and strength has also been found to be helpful to children, but only when paired with the support of stable adults. Simply invoking grit or Kelly Clarkson is not enough.

> The message is clear. Childhood trauma stacks the deck against the children who suffer through it. Invoking grit or repeatedly firing the teachers who can't work miracles won't help.

So, if grit were only used to describe surmounting "life's healthy and normal challenges" then, sure, exercise that so-called 'muscle'. But the problem is that 'grit' is used as a catch-all to surmount all problems in life, including traumatic incidents and childern suffering from the long-term effects of systemic racism and disdain for the poor.

Re:Grit is a muscle, train it by emodendroket on Saturday December 16, 2017 @04:54PM (#15942366)
This gets to the heart of what's so repellent about this grit stuff to me.
Re:Grit is a muscle, train it by 659087 on Saturday December 16, 2017 @01:44PM (#15941050)
Hearing it on a forum mainly full of people who sit behind a desk all day writing advertising and tracking code is particularly amusing.
Re:Grit is a muscle, train it by mywacaday on Saturday December 16, 2017 @01:18PM (#15940837)
Grit only relates to corn in the US as far as I know. May be used as a reference to a fine gravel put on roads during snow/ice in Ireland/UK
Re:Grit is a muscle, train it by emodendroket on Saturday December 16, 2017 @01:31PM (#15940939)
> plural of grit "coarsely ground grain," Old English grytt (plural grytta) "coarse meal, groats, grits," from Proto-Germanic *grutja-, from the same root as grit (n.), the two words having influenced one another in sound development.

But I mean realistically hominy grits are not very popular in the UK. You can read some kind of amusing old 18th-Century letters with people writing about "I don't know how people can stand to eat this crap" talking about cornbread and grits and the like, because English people took to eating corn (or maize for our Commonwealth friends) more due its being readily available in North America than a conscious decision.

Re:Grit is a muscle, train it by rzzzt on Saturday December 16, 2017 @01:48PM (#15941077)
Also the coarseness of sandpaper.
Re:Grit is a muscle, train it by krapp on Saturday December 16, 2017 @01:21PM (#15940861)
How about gumption? Moxie? Spunk?
Re:Grit is a muscle, train it by emodendroket on Saturday December 16, 2017 @01:28PM (#15940916)
I mean the whole thing is a repackaging of the idea that nothing matters except whether you tried hard enough.