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Re:SEC Shuts Down Munchee ICO by JumpCrisscross on Tuesday December 12, 2017 @11:46AM (#15907003)
You post a variant of this drivel on every regulatory- or China-related thread [1].

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=mrwong

Re:SEC Shuts Down Munchee ICO by mrwong on Tuesday December 12, 2017 @01:15PM (#15907951)
So what?
Re:SEC Shuts Down Munchee ICO by JumpCrisscross on Tuesday December 12, 2017 @01:32PM (#15908117)
> So what?

You're shouting baseless opinion. Over its repetitions, moderated [1] and well-cited [2] responses [3] have been repeatedly [4] levied against it [5]. Yet the outburst never changes. You're talking for the sake of talking, not to discuss.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15791135

[2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15766911

[3] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15791454

[4] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15791143

[5] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15766440

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Re:SEC Shuts Down Munchee ICO by sctb on Tuesday December 12, 2017 @06:11PM (#15910381)
It's a serious abuse of the site to post like this, and we're quick to ban accounts that do. Please read the guidelines and never comment like this again.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re:SEC Shuts Down Munchee ICO by chickenfries on Tuesday December 12, 2017 @02:32PM (#15908698)
if you can’t make your point without personal attacks I’m not going to be very persuaded.
Re:SEC Shuts Down Munchee ICO by bunderbunder on Tuesday December 12, 2017 @11:29AM (#15906830)
Most these companies are very clearly focusing on a US market first, so their pool of likely coin buyers is Americans. I'm guessing that many of them also want to keep the option of getting additional rounds of funding by selling equity rather than scrip.

If leaving US jurisdiction reduces the capital markets that are most important to them, then I doubt they will decide that it's worthwhile to do so just for the sake of being able do ICOs.

Re:SEC Shuts Down Munchee ICO by ceejayoz on Tuesday December 12, 2017 @11:28AM (#15906817)
These rules aren't new in the slightest. Anyone who thought ICOs would allow them to evade the SEC was always deluding themselves.

Despite these long-standing rules, the US still seems to do just fine attracting new corporations.

Re:SEC Shuts Down Munchee ICO by pmarreck on Tuesday December 12, 2017 @12:16PM (#15907324)
"Regulation is damage and the Internet will route around it"
Re:SEC Shuts Down Munchee ICO by hyprCoin on Tuesday December 12, 2017 @11:31AM (#15906840)
I don't think this is a good thing. We are going to lose some of the brightest next generation startups to lesser jurisdiction areas due to regulation created in the 40s.

I really do not care for the accredited investor scam.

Re:SEC Shuts Down Munchee ICO by s73ver_ on Tuesday December 12, 2017 @12:27PM (#15907428)
The JOBS Act changed some of those thresholds. However, there is exactly zero reason why the reporting and transparency regulations should be thrown out, regardless of whether you're doing a paper security or a crypto coin.
Re:SEC Shuts Down Munchee ICO by hyprCoin on Tuesday December 12, 2017 @12:54PM (#15907754)
Why should a global decentralized currency be beholden to local regulation?

I guess the lesson is to do a fair launch and run nicehash to control a large percentage of the network. Then you don't have to abide by SEC regulation as the coin does not represent a centralized organization.

Re:SEC Shuts Down Munchee ICO by eropple on Tuesday December 12, 2017 @01:20PM (#15908001)
> Why should a global decentralized currency be beholden to local regulation?

Because people, who are the important factor here and not your burnt CPU cycles, live in those localities and have generally agreed to live in this thing called "society" where regulations are made within that society's jurisdiction.

Re:SEC Shuts Down Munchee ICO by PeterisP on Tuesday December 12, 2017 @01:42PM (#15908201)
A local currency should be beholden to local regulation.

A global decentralized currency should be beholden to every local regulation in which it is used, since the users fall under that jurisdiction - if it's not compatible with local regulation, then it should stay away from that locality and the people there.

In particular, ICOs should care about USA regulation if they want to attract money from people in USA; they can freely ignore SEC iff they keep their activities outside of USA and don't attempt to market their "investment" to customers in USA.

Re:SEC Shuts Down Munchee ICO by chickenfries on Tuesday December 12, 2017 @02:45PM (#15908804)
> Why should a global decentralized currency be beholden to local regulation?

I dunno why can't you declare your house an independent country and live under your own rules?

Re:SEC Shuts Down Munchee ICO by s73ver_ on Tuesday December 12, 2017 @04:05PM (#15909459)
I've not heard any reason why these ICOs are any different than any other security. Simply being "on a computer" never should have been enough for patents, and it most definitely isn't enough here.
Re:SEC Shuts Down Munchee ICO by hyprCoin on Tuesday December 12, 2017 @04:41PM (#15909785)
Look at chain coin. A crypto currency that was a scam coin, people lost a lot of money and the original developer dumped his supply.

It did not die, different people are now picking up the chain and making it a more valuable currency.

The point is not that these currencies are "on a computer", the point is that they represent a collective interest that lives beyond borders.

Re:SEC Shuts Down Munchee ICO by s73ver_ on Tuesday December 12, 2017 @04:46PM (#15909817)
And why couldn't that happen without the scam component?
Re:SEC Shuts Down Munchee ICO by hyprCoin on Tuesday December 12, 2017 @04:56PM (#15909882)
It likely wouldn't exist without the scam component. The original developer never intended to follow through with his vision, but it was a good enough vision that many people decided it was worth investing in and working towards.

My point was that there are regularization factors in the market that exist without a centralized organization rubber stamping actions. Of course, that doesn't fit the narrative that people, especially the poor and intelligent, must be protected from themselves.

Re:SEC Shuts Down Munchee ICO by s73ver_ on Wednesday December 13, 2017 @12:16PM (#15915607)
I honestly do not believe that. If it was a good idea, it would be possible to create it in a non-scammy way.

My point is that there is no reason to not have the disclosure and reporting regulations in place. You really have not countered that. And claiming that there is a narrative about protecting people from themselves really doesn't work when we're talking about regulations designed to disclose the information that would allow them to make those decisions.

Re:SEC Shuts Down Munchee ICO by hyprCoin on Wednesday December 13, 2017 @05:30PM (#15918306)
Regulations provide an avenue for rejecting actions. This avenue can be subsequently abused by bad actors - for example, accredited investment is abused by the wealthy to extend their opportunities at the expense of the middle class and poor.

Feel free to buy lottery tickets or gamble, just don't let us catch you investing in a startup seed round.

Re:SEC Shuts Down Munchee ICO by s73ver_ on Thursday December 14, 2017 @07:22PM (#15928715)
"Feel free to buy lottery tickets or gamble, just don't let us catch you investing in a startup seed round."

People keep spouting that argument, and I'm utterly unconvinced of its relevance. Namely because you're arguing against the very things that would compel disclosure of the information required to make an informed decision. The other two things you mentioned have that information provided.

Re:SEC Shuts Down Munchee ICO by hyprCoin on Wednesday December 20, 2017 @03:29AM (#15967948)
Yes if you read the fine print you can tell what your chances of social mobility are from a lottery ticket. It's fine if the wealthy elite take the 1000x returns from successful startups.

We wouldn't want the poor hurting themselves.

Coins represent a better approach, one not walled off to the general public. Coins can represent concepts or goals that live beyond a centralized organization providing documentation. Of course there is vested interest in regulation. Accredited investors love the walled gardens.

Re:SEC Shuts Down Munchee ICO by orthecreedence on Tuesday December 12, 2017 @01:45PM (#15908225)
If it means people who welcome scams with open arms all go off to an island somewhere, then yes this is a good thing.

I love how quickly people forget history then come crying to daddy government when they get the paddling they so richly deserve from a silver tongue devil who parted them with their money.