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Re:Microsoft Adds an OpenSSH Client to Windows 10 by KozmoNau7 on Tuesday December 12, 2017 @09:07AM (#15905618)
Linux Mint worked perfectly on my T420, and I expect it to work perfectly on the T440 I'm picking up today to replace it.

Sure, not the very newest hardware, but it's not like laptops have gotten significantly more powerful for anything that actually matters, for the last couple of years.

Re:Microsoft Adds an OpenSSH Client to Windows 10 by vetinari on Tuesday December 12, 2017 @02:08PM (#15908445)
Oh, they did more powerful, just in departments you don't pay attention to.

The biggie is the GPU. T420 has no oomph to run an external 4K display (at more than 24 Hz, i.e. in usable mode). Broadwell and newer do have the capability to run 2 of them.

The CPUs got less power-hungry. You can do the same work with less juice, so your battery lasts longer.

The SSDs with the new interfaces got much faster. There is simply no comparison between M.2 nvme drive and SATA3 SSD.

Sadly, wifi took a step back, with almost universal unavailability of anything better than 2x2 MIMO 802.11ac. In the past, MIMO 3x3 used to be available (Broadcom, but the option was there).

So yes, modern laptop is significantly different experience than few years old one, despite the CPU having the same GHz.

Re:Microsoft Adds an OpenSSH Client to Windows 10 by KozmoNau7 on Wednesday December 13, 2017 @03:55AM (#15912991)
That's not my point.

My point is that they're not noticeably faster for the things most people use their computers for. They still run browsers, Spotify, email, word processors and all of that just fine and last "long enough" on a charge.

The improvements have been incredibly marginal for most people.

Re:Microsoft Adds an OpenSSH Client to Windows 10 by vetinari on Wednesday December 13, 2017 @07:26AM (#15913775)
The difference is noticable, the modern laptops are subjectively perceived by users as faster, even if they have slower CPUs.

Also, they do not have a problem with Electron apps. for most people, they are just apps like anythig else, and do not perceive any performance problems with them.

Re:Microsoft Adds an OpenSSH Client to Windows 10 by KozmoNau7 on Wednesday December 13, 2017 @08:55AM (#15914185)
That is mostly due to SSDs, which can also be fitted perfectly well to older laptops, SATA has been standard for a long time now.

And where did Electron apps come into the discussion?

Re:Microsoft Adds an OpenSSH Client to Windows 10 by vetinari on Wednesday December 13, 2017 @11:23AM (#15915191)
The difference between NVME SSD and SATA SSD is like between classic HDD and SATA SSD. It has to; NVME can push 4GBps, SATA3 only 600MBps.

Even the Apple 2015 M.2 drives, which are "only" AHCI, but with much deeper queue (i.e. nonstandard), can do 1.something GBps and the difference compared to standard SATA SSD is noticable by normal users.

Electron apps are something normal people use and some of them compain about the speed/lag/memory usage. Usually those with older computers, who think nothing changed in the last years ;).

Re:Microsoft Adds an OpenSSH Client to Windows 10 by KozmoNau7 on Wednesday December 13, 2017 @01:06PM (#15916043)
But for most people, that speed difference is purely academic, and doesn't actually benefit them. Sure, if you're compiling stuff or otherwise moving around a lot of data, it matters. But for most people, it's just some numbers on a spec sheet.
Re:Microsoft Adds an OpenSSH Client to Windows 10 by vetinari on Wednesday December 13, 2017 @04:53PM (#15918020)
If you do not perceive a difference between HDD and SATA SDD, then you won't perceive the difference between SATA and NVME SSD either, that true.

If you do the first, you will do also the second. It makes a difference even when launching Excel or Firefox.

Re:Microsoft Adds an OpenSSH Client to Windows 10 by KozmoNau7 on Thursday December 14, 2017 @04:00AM (#15920870)
There is a definite difference between old-fashioned spinning rust and SSD.

Between SATA SSD and PCIe? Sure, for extremely IO-heavy tasks there's a difference to be felt, but not really in everyday use.