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Re:Microsoft Adds an OpenSSH Client to Windows 10 by pschlump on Tuesday December 12, 2017 @08:49AM (#15905526)
I quit using Windows as my primary desktop because of lack of SSH support.
Re:Microsoft Adds an OpenSSH Client to Windows 10 by icedchai on Tuesday December 12, 2017 @09:09AM (#15905628)
Was there a problem installing Putty?
Re:Microsoft Adds an OpenSSH Client to Windows 10 by asendra on Tuesday December 12, 2017 @09:17AM (#15905667)
Yes. Putty.
Re:Microsoft Adds an OpenSSH Client to Windows 10 by icedchai on Tuesday December 12, 2017 @09:23AM (#15905701)
Strange. I never had a problem with it 10 years ago. Perhaps our expectations for a terminal have changed in that time.
Re:Microsoft Adds an OpenSSH Client to Windows 10 by samfisher83 on Tuesday December 12, 2017 @09:45AM (#15905853)
Putty works fine. You can even do x11 forwarding or socks proxing. If you have an x11 server running on your machine you can have a linux display.
Re:Microsoft Adds an OpenSSH Client to Windows 10 by PascLeRasc on Tuesday December 12, 2017 @11:14AM (#15906660)
Putty's been being distributed over unsecured HTTP for years - I wouldn't be surprised if some companies' IT departments forbid it.
Re:Microsoft Adds an OpenSSH Client to Windows 10 by ac29 on Tuesday December 12, 2017 @12:27PM (#15907425)
The main page [0] and main download [1] are HTTPS. GPG signatures are provided as well.

[0] https://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/latest.ht...

[1] https://the.earth.li/~sgtatham/putty/latest/w64/putty-64bit-...

Re:Microsoft Adds an OpenSSH Client to Windows 10 by lostmsu on Tuesday December 12, 2017 @09:56PM (#15911670)
That probably changed just recently.
Re:Microsoft Adds an OpenSSH Client to Windows 10 by icedchai on Tuesday December 12, 2017 @07:40PM (#15910954)
Downloading something over HTTPS doesn't magically make it secure.
Re:Microsoft Adds an OpenSSH Client to Windows 10 by rbanffy on Tuesday December 12, 2017 @10:11AM (#15906067)
I did out of irritation the nth time I wanted to delete a file that it insisted was open (which should not be a problem anyway).
Re:Microsoft Adds an OpenSSH Client to Windows 10 by ksk on Tuesday December 12, 2017 @11:56AM (#15907084)
>(which should not be a problem anyway).

But it is a problem. And also a difference in philosophy. NTFS gives the user and the process the guarantee that the filesystem will remain consistent. Also as a user, I have a guarantee that the file I have open, represents a file that actually exists on the file system, and not a deleted file.

Re:Microsoft Adds an OpenSSH Client to Windows 10 by CyberShadow on Tuesday December 12, 2017 @01:27PM (#15908067)
This is not relevant to the on-disk filesystem, just how the OS handles files.

The philosophy is also flawed: open a file, then create a hard link to it. You now can't delete that hard link (because the file is open), even though you just created it. This is not a problem on POSIX because it correctly distinguishes a file name (represented by a directory entry) from a file (represented by the inode).

Re:Microsoft Adds an OpenSSH Client to Windows 10 by ksk on Tuesday December 12, 2017 @01:55PM (#15908317)
Its not clear to me what "flaw" you're referring to. NTFS is reference counted and can easily accommodate other behaviors. By default, it prevents deletion, unless a process specifically permits deletion, in which case, the file can be deleted.

This makes a whole lot of sense to me as a user, because I don't want to worry about open files being possibly deleted from disk.

>open a file, then create a hard link to it. You now can't delete that hard link (because the file is open), even though you just created it. This is not a problem on POSIX because it correctly distinguishes a file name (represented by a directory entry) from a file (represented by the inode).

This is not relevant to the topic.

Re:Microsoft Adds an OpenSSH Client to Windows 10 by CyberShadow on Thursday December 14, 2017 @03:06PM (#15926418)
It is absolutely relevant. In your very comment, you are confusing what a file and a file name is.

To rephrase: just because the FILE is open, doesn't mean that you shouldn't be able to remove a FILE NAME that references the FILE.

> as a user, because I don't want to worry about open files being possibly deleted from disk

Open files can still usually be renamed (and moved across the same volume), so a file name of an open file can still be effectively removed.

Re:Microsoft Adds an OpenSSH Client to Windows 10 by yndoendo on Tuesday December 12, 2017 @12:39PM (#15907582)
Nothing like not being able to delete a directory because Explorer is keeping the folder's thumbnail database open and in use even though you are no longer in the directory.
Re:Microsoft Adds an OpenSSH Client to Windows 10 by rbanffy on Tuesday December 12, 2017 @01:52PM (#15908278)
The case where you can actually know why is the best one. More often than not there is no obvious reason why the damn thing is open.