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Re:A simple DIY Heroku replacement to keep your hosting cost... by glenngillen on Monday December 11, 2017 @05:08AM (#15896124)
> in the end Heroku shouldn't be used for anything serious.

This is a provably false statement. There are thousands of companies running very serious things on Heroku handling load that would exceed the needs of the majority of audience here. All with near zero effort from a developer perspective.

They've also always been transparent about downtime, retrospectively creating/amending cases if required. The only multi-hour outages in the past 60 days afaict affected the ability to launch new processes & use the API but didn't actually cause downtime for apps that were already running (https://status.heroku.com/). That said, uptime for the past 60 days for the US region is > 4 nines, and EU is 5 nines. Better many ops teams achieve.

I was using rolling deploys (and preboot before that) on Heroku without issue back in 2013. I can't speak to the issues you had, but there were (is) a number of documented caveats to be aware of when using it.

You get all of that simply by doing `heroku create; git push heroku master`. Plus a broad range of automatically provisioned, configured, and fully-managed services you can use with a single click.

There's plenty of valid reasons to not use Heroku, claiming one if them is it's unsuitable for anything serious is disingenuous.

Re:A simple DIY Heroku replacement to keep your hosting cost... by reaperducer on Monday December 11, 2017 @11:22AM (#15898011)
> All with near zero effort from a developer perspective

For a very small subset of developers.

The last time I was tethered to a Heroku installation, I spend 60% of my time coding, and 40% of my time working around Heroku's shortcomings.

It doesn't matter how many times you reply to people on HN stating that their position is "provably false," that doesn't make it true.

Re:A simple DIY Heroku replacement to keep your hosting cost... by simplify on Monday December 11, 2017 @12:34PM (#15898603)
I've been using Heroku for many serious projects since its inception. It's been nearly a zero effort, especially compared to doing it all myself. This alone is enough to prove the statement false (counterexample).
Re:A simple DIY Heroku replacement to keep your hosting cost... by alpha_squared on Monday December 11, 2017 @12:49PM (#15898718)
A little nitpicky here, but the original claim is "shouldn't be used for anything serious" which is an entirely subjective statement. I don't know if proving something subjective is false is really possible.
Re:A simple DIY Heroku replacement to keep your hosting cost... by simplify on Monday December 11, 2017 @02:45PM (#15899712)
That's the fault of the original claimer. They shouldn't be making subjective claims and trying to pass it off as objective.