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Re:Ask HN: What to do if you hate working for someone else a... by RickS on Sunday December 10, 2017 @09:58PM (#15894850)
I'm late to this thread, but I hope you read this:

If you go freelance, watch the fuck out.

This post reads like you're depressed with the direction of your life, and are bucketing the causes into your workplace because it's intellectually easy to do.

I don't mean that to be disparaging - I say it with authority because I do it too, and your post reads exactly like the monologue that runs through my head every day.

I was a freelancer for many years. It's 85% pipeline management - networking, lining up your next gigs months in advance, and tending to relationships with existing customers to turn them into repeat customers. The actual "do the work" part is trivially simple in comparison.

The personality types that write posts like these tend to do poorly with the high-extroversion high-orderliness traits that make or break a successful freelancing career.

Be extremely fearful of the scenario where you quit your job with spite in ambition's clothing, and find yourself struggling to make money because you thought that making money freelancing was about output, not network.

My advice? Talk to somebody professional and really do an insanely deep autopsy on why you hate working the way you do. I think there are hard answers to be unearthed.

Now if only I could take the advice I'm writing to myself as much as I am to you...

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Re:Ask HN: What to do if you hate working for someone else a... by amiuba on Monday December 11, 2017 @03:01PM (#15899894)
> a 100% sane assessment of his situation. Nothing could be a more accurate picture of most of our working lives than the OP's post

To be fair, it is extremely hard to tell, even for me (OP). Sometimes I feel like I'm nuts because everyone else seems to get by and just deal with it. Am I so special or fragile that I can't just suck it up and do like everyone else?

No matter what angle I look at it though, I don't see how this could not make anyone at least a little bit sick. Spending 40 years (or 10 years if you're aiming for FI) using your life and health away to make some stranger even richer while the best you can hope for is keeping your job. It's absurd, and I can't understand how a lifetime of taking one for the team doesn't make people revolt.

But maybe we're the crazy ones because we're the minority, and can't adapt. I honestly don't know and struggle with this question.

Re:Ask HN: What to do if you hate working for someone else a... by ambivalents on Tuesday December 12, 2017 @03:27PM (#15909150)
I've been grappling with how unjust it feels to be an employee working in service of enriching another. I'm looking for a way out myself. But it helps to think about this in terms of risk. The owners of my company originally shouldered a great deal of risk, for a very small chance at a very high reward. It's worked out well for them. I, years later, benefit from their original and continued risk-taking in the form of a salary and benefits. In exchange, I give them 8/hr a day of decent work. The rest of my time is completely mine, and my livelihood does not depend on what I do in this time.

This does not always ease the day-to-day pains I feel about working for "the man." It still makes my blood boil sometimes. But I do appreciate the relative cushiness this position affords me: benefits, decent salary, and perhaps best of all: a full life outside of my working hours. I never have to worry about business development, annual revenues, appeasing shareholders, and all the other risky behavior required to run a successful business.

To be sure, I will never get rich as an employee (without deliberate frugality and smart investments). That's not how the system is set up. But you might find you value a comfortable middle class existence with a lot less stress more than making a lot of money (which requires, generally, a commensurate amount of risk/work). I'm still figuring that out myself.

Re:Ask HN: What to do if you hate working for someone else a... by bigmanwalter on Tuesday December 12, 2017 @10:25PM (#15911774)
I don't quite agree with the risk angle because generally people who start their own businesses do so with strong family safety nets or with capital that they amassed in high paying professions. If their business fails, they are usually still ] better off than their employees.
Re:Ask HN: What to do if you hate working for someone else a... by increment_i on Wednesday December 13, 2017 @09:41PM (#15919557)
I very much doubt this is the case. In 2011, over half a million businesses were started each month in the U.S. in addition to the 23 million small businesses that were already around. Seems unlikely to assume these were all from well to do folks with a strong safety net.

Source: http://censtats.census.gov/cgi-bin/nonemployer/nonsect.pl

Re:Ask HN: What to do if you hate working for someone else a... by bigmanwalter on Thursday December 14, 2017 @09:06AM (#15922316)
How many poor people have you developed software for personally?
Re:Ask HN: What to do if you hate working for someone else a... by vanderreeah on Monday December 11, 2017 @04:12PM (#15900487)
I can't comment on the sanity of adaptation - it may well be the most expedient reaction. But your original description of the relative economic positions of worker and employer, and of who accrues the most benefit from the energy expenditure of the worker (hint: it's not the worker), is just simple 20/20 clarity. Not even the most conservative economist could disagree with it. To adapt to this seems an act akin to Stockholm syndrome, but to struggle with it, though perhaps more clear-minded, is also unlikely to bring happiness. But once you've seen what you've seen, you can't unsee it.
Re:Ask HN: What to do if you hate working for someone else a... by amiuba on Monday December 11, 2017 @04:24PM (#15900591)
> But once you've seen what you've seen, you can't unsee it.

What do you do then?

Re:Ask HN: What to do if you hate working for someone else a... by vanderreeah on Monday December 11, 2017 @04:29PM (#15900642)
I do not know. But there are of course millions of people in our position. I suppose any possible solution can only come from the only strength we have, which is the knowledge of our shared, common situation.

EDIT: Jesus I sound pompous sometimes...

Re:Ask HN: What to do if you hate working for someone else a... by ikeyany on Tuesday December 12, 2017 @01:30AM (#15903426)
Pompous perhaps but sensible. Please don't stop ranting.
Re:Ask HN: What to do if you hate working for someone else a... by ikeyany on Thursday December 14, 2017 @01:17AM (#15920315)
Darn it, you stopped ranting.
Re:Ask HN: What to do if you hate working for someone else a... by vanderreeah on Friday December 22, 2017 @03:49PM (#15990764)
I only sporadically rant. But thanks for the encouragement.
Re:Ask HN: What to do if you hate working for someone else a... by ajeet_dhaliwal on Wednesday December 13, 2017 @08:03AM (#15913938)
amiuba, we're either both crazy or both sane.
Re:Ask HN: What to do if you hate working for someone else a... by RickS on Monday December 11, 2017 @07:16PM (#15902029)
I never said it was irrational. I believe it's extraordinarily rational, if a bit narrowly scoped. I'm a big fan of depressive realism.

However, I also believe that this can be accurate of your life (let's be honest, it's accurate of 80%+ of people's lives) and yet not be a cause of constant misery. This seems to be the case for many people, who have much harder jobs than the average HN type and yet are quite happy. I think getting to that state is a route worth exploring.

Unexplored areas of the psyche and rational situational assessment are not at all mutually exclusive. They get along just fine.