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Re:A Classic of Soviet Engineering - The Typhoon-class sub by jacquesm on Monday August 09, 2010 @06:31AM (#1587547)
Don't get me wrong, I'm about as anti-war and anti-violence as it gets.

But we're talking about a piece of pretty heavy artillery here, a nuclear submarine meant to kill people, wholesale. Now, I didn't set the stage for that, someone else did.

As far as the methods and the means of the former SovBlock countries goes, I lived in Poland before the fall of the wall for a while and it taught me a lot. For one it taught me how the people in a country like that are to some extent complicit by refusing to stand up for their fellow man when it matters.

The Nazis, the Soviets they were pretty bad in their days. But don't overlook the small detail that we today are pretty bad in many other ways, and we are also complicit.

We should remember, I'm very much in favor of that. So lets work to create a world in which weapons such as this will be reminders of the period that will hopefully be called 'the crazy years' when looked back at from some arbitrary point in the future.

But don't confuse the engineer with the puppet master. Those guys did their jobs to the best of their ability, what pressures were used to make them do their jobs are not part of that story. In fact, I can feel some sympathy for an engineer producing a work like that under duress, but I can find very little sympathy for someone doing that just for money.

Re:A Classic of Soviet Engineering - The Typhoon-class sub by berntb on Monday August 09, 2010 @07:20AM (#1587627)
>>Don't get me wrong, I'm about as anti-war and anti-violence as it gets.

Yes... military -- boring, military tech -- double plus cool. :-)

>>I lived in Poland before the fall of the wall for a while and it taught me a lot. For one it taught me how the people in a country like that are to some extent complicit by refusing to stand up for their fellow man when it matters.

I didn't live there, but those in the Eastern block knew what would happen if they stood up (e.g. Hungary, Czechoslovakia).

When it became clear there wouldn't be Soviet divisions rolling over the border if they stood up, then they threw out their Soviet puppet regimes in months.

Edit: OK, sorry for missing the point.

Re:A Classic of Soviet Engineering - The Typhoon-class sub by jacquesm on Monday August 09, 2010 @07:23AM (#1587631)
That's standing up on a slightly larger scale than I meant, I specifically meant when the local 'zomos' or whatever they were called in the country of choice were using informants to rat on their fellow men instead of forming a solid block.

There always seem to be people willing to collaborate in return for favors.

Revolution is a different matter.