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Re:Silicon Valley Is Sneaking Models into This Year’s Holida... by bdcravens on Thursday December 07, 2017 @02:34PM (#15873247)
> If you want more women at the event

This has nothing to do with equality. They aren't hiring these models as equals, but for the misogynistic dynamic (while removing the organic nature of opposite-sex interaction)

Re:Silicon Valley Is Sneaking Models into This Year’s Holida... by throwaway0255 on Thursday December 07, 2017 @02:48PM (#15873364)
> They aren't hiring these models as equals, but for the misogynistic dynamic

Interesting, my mind goes straight to this being incredibly demeaning toward the legitimate male attendees of the party. Didn't even occur to me that somebody would have the opposite interpretation.

That'd be my only thought at the party. "They had to pay this good-looking person to pretend to talk to me." I don't see how this is misogynistic? I just see this as an extreme degradation of the males involved.

Re:Silicon Valley Is Sneaking Models into This Year’s Holida... by jerf on Thursday December 07, 2017 @02:52PM (#15873424)
Why not both? It's not really a single-dimensional scale; it is perfectly feasible to be simultaneously misogynstic and misandrist at the same time. Proof by existence.
Re:Silicon Valley Is Sneaking Models into This Year’s Holida... by aphextron on Thursday December 07, 2017 @03:24PM (#15873739)
Precisely. It’s the strip club dynamic. Where men are seen as nothing more than disposable vessels of cash, and women are degraded to the level of livestock on display.
Re:Silicon Valley Is Sneaking Models into This Year’s Holida... by jordigh on Thursday December 07, 2017 @02:52PM (#15873413)
It's misogynistic because it commodifies women. Having a woman to talk to is something that you can just buy, like a car or a nice meal. They're not treated as people, just as consummables.
Re:Silicon Valley Is Sneaking Models into This Year’s Holida... by GCU-Empiricist on Thursday December 07, 2017 @03:22PM (#15873707)
Like hiring a software engineer to make code for you?
Re:Silicon Valley Is Sneaking Models into This Year’s Holida... by jordigh on Thursday December 07, 2017 @03:34PM (#15873858)
It's not comparable.

A programmer spent a lot of time honing their craft, faces every day challenges, has growth opportunities, can aspire to higher salaries through tough work, has growth opportunities, can influence the world around them and create new things. Coding yields power.

While modelling may require difficult labour, it's mostly just "congratulations for your face".

Re:Silicon Valley Is Sneaking Models into This Year’s Holida... by theshrike79 on Thursday December 07, 2017 @04:00PM (#15874159)
Let's see you put on a bikini on the beach during winter and pretend you're not freezing your ass off to shoot the catalog for next summer.

Now do it for 12 hours straight. Yes, it's just a pretty face, no skill required.

Re:Silicon Valley Is Sneaking Models into This Year’s Holida... by dwaltrip on Thursday December 07, 2017 @04:41PM (#15874603)
I would argue this angle is irrelevant.

It's not about whether it is difficult or not, it is more about what type of culture do such things foster and what values does it signal (referring to "SV roller skate models").

Re:Silicon Valley Is Sneaking Models into This Year’s Holida... by alexasmyths on Thursday December 07, 2017 @03:53PM (#15874079)
Not only does it not commodify women, you're assumption that men will treat them as objects is possibly bigoted.

Men having polite conversations with women is 'wrong' only in a dystopian future.

I personally think it's a little ridiculous and would not want to attend, nor would I put together a party like that, but it's a matter of social taste, not morality.

Re:Silicon Valley Is Sneaking Models into This Year’s Holida... by bdcravens on Thursday December 07, 2017 @04:20PM (#15874365)
The focus is on the attractiveness of the women, and the presence of women for men's sake. Misogyny is degrading to everyone involved.
Re:Silicon Valley Is Sneaking Models into This Year’s Holida... by bitL on Thursday December 07, 2017 @03:22PM (#15873714)
They are hiring them to hack "stupid" geeks that aren't accustomed to attractive female presence, with the usual "to corrupt geek" fun they play since high school. It's trying to hack male biological response in favor of whatever, a pretty low-life stuff.
Re:Silicon Valley Is Sneaking Models into This Year’s Holida... by notyourday on Thursday December 07, 2017 @04:10PM (#15874268)
> while removing the organic nature of opposite-sex interaction

One needs to be absolutely insane to organically interact with a co-worker of opposite sex at a company social events considering the popularity of all kinds of sexual harassment claims.

Re:Silicon Valley Is Sneaking Models into This Year’s Holida... by jmagoon on Thursday December 07, 2017 @04:17PM (#15874336)
I really hope that you're joking. You don't know how to interact with the opposite sex without it being sexual harassment? Or are you saying that all the women making those claims are frauds who treat non harassment as harassment?
Re:Silicon Valley Is Sneaking Models into This Year’s Holida... by notyourday on Thursday December 07, 2017 @04:35PM (#15874524)
I like the money that I make. My solution is to avoid any and all interaction that is not mandatory.
Re:Silicon Valley Is Sneaking Models into This Year’s Holida... by alexasmyths on Thursday December 07, 2017 @03:51PM (#15874059)
"but for the misogynistic dynamic"

Male appreciation of female company is utterly and absolutely in not 'misogynistic'.

Not only that - it's also very normal, and frankly good.

If people are treated as sexual objects, then you can complain.

Re:Silicon Valley Is Sneaking Models into This Year’s Holida... by ryandrake on Thursday December 07, 2017 @05:18PM (#15874892)
How do you square your claim of misogyny against the fact that male models are also employed in these roles?
Re:Silicon Valley Is Sneaking Models into This Year’s Holida... by bdcravens on Thursday December 07, 2017 @05:21PM (#15874919)
If they are, that's an improvement. What's the breakdown like? I've venture to say less than 1% overall.
Re:Silicon Valley Is Sneaking Models into This Year’s Holida... by ryandrake on Thursday December 07, 2017 @05:26PM (#15874957)
LMRTAFY: "For a typical party, scheduled for the weekend of Dec. 8, Cre8 Agency LLC is sending 25 women and 5 men, all good-looking..."
Re:Silicon Valley Is Sneaking Models into This Year’s Holida... by bdcravens on Thursday December 07, 2017 @05:46PM (#15875111)
Oh ok, your comment said ".. also employed in these roles.." so I thought you were speaking to more than the article.
Re:Silicon Valley Is Sneaking Models into This Year’s Holida... by jasode on Thursday December 07, 2017 @05:26PM (#15874960)
The article gave one example of 30 models (5 men and 25 women) -- so 20% in that case.
Re:Silicon Valley Is Sneaking Models into This Year’s Holida... by bdcravens on Thursday December 07, 2017 @05:48PM (#15875118)
Makes sense; I thought parent comment was speaking to more than the one party indicated in the article: "... also employed in these roles ..."