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Re:Ask HN: Who hires mathematicians? by En_gr_Student on Wednesday December 06, 2017 @04:29PM (#15865189)
I'm a mechanical engineer with strong minors in applied computational mathematics and scientific computing, and math has been, for me, a super-power. It opens all kinds of thermal, structural analyst jobs. I can optimize all kinds of stuff. I can automate simulations and plot the results in ways that the non-technical can get a good idea of the right direction to go. That all comes from math.

Can you hand-code a solver for Maxwells equations or Navier-Stokes (lid-driven cavity flow)? That opens electronics and thermo-fluids. How are you with classic and singular perturbation methods? That gives you signal integrity at Intel - they pay pretty well. Get a few languages under your belt - icky things that are gold plated. MatLab, LabVIEW, Python, SQL, and C. That gives you most of mechanical engineering, lab-based data collection, tons of current "data science", being able to work with previous content, and making your code go really fast, respectively.

Try not looking for jobs on monster, or dice or such. Get friendly with a technical recruiter at Manpower Technical and ask them to get you a few decent contract positions to help you both return some excellent value, and to grow your professional breadth. Make sure some of the positions are business, production, design, and leadership in that order. If you do leadership first without the others, you are wasting yourself.

Read a few books on how to negotiate salary. Your earnings at age 25 determine your total lifetime earnings, so if you let yourself get low-balled early, it can cost you a few million in total lifetime earning. You don't want that.

Once of my heroes is Karl Kempf. Read what he, applied mathematician that he is, has done. He returns a defensible $8 billion per year every year in new value to his company. He is someone to emulate.

Re:Ask HN: Who hires mathematicians? by jordigh on Wednesday December 06, 2017 @07:32PM (#15866506)
> Can you hand-code a solver for Maxwells equations or Navier-Stokes (lid-driven cavity flow)?

For my undergrad, I mostly focussed on number theory and differential geometry. These topics are mostly useless unless you want to work at the NSA, which only works for the US. Most of my undergraduate curriculum is absolutely useless except for the art of mathematics itself.

For my Masters I wanted to learn more about numerical analysis, hoping to land a job this way. I suppose that did help me understand topics like machine learning, which really seems to me like numerical analysis rebranded, but I didn't end working on anything like it. In fact, what happened is that I started contributing to Octave and used the experience from working on that to justify getting other programming, non-mathematical jobs.

The reason I'm telling this story is just to emphasise that most mathematics is useless, always has been, always will be, just like most art is useless. You mentioned very specific areas and applications of mathematics, but mathematician in general will always have difficult finding jobs pertaining to their mathematical interests and need to diversify towards the need of the job market.

Re:Ask HN: Who hires mathematicians? by Myrmornis on Wednesday December 06, 2017 @10:29PM (#15867406)
I think the comments here could do with being put in a little perspective. There are programmers reading HN (well, all programmers) for whom one important way they can improve as a software engineer is to improve their powers of abstract thinking. You people who have studied advanced mathematics, any of it, are exceptionally skilled at thinking abstractly. I think there’s a risk of underestimating how useful that is in software engineering.
Re:Ask HN: Who hires mathematicians? by jordigh on Thursday December 07, 2017 @10:07AM (#15870571)
I think it's a bit superstitious how we think that being good at math means you'll be good at programming. I'm not complaining, because that superstition helped me. Like I said, my math degree did give recruiters an initial good impression of me. Other than that, I don't think it translates into much of a benefit when writing code. I have personally witnessed many mathematicians write the most atrocious code, myself included.

Also, if it really were about that kind of structured thinking, maybe just teaching chess to kids would be just as well.

Re:Ask HN: Who hires mathematicians? by Myrmornis on Thursday December 07, 2017 @11:46AM (#15871580)
Wouldn’t you say there’s a difference between structured thinking (say, a kind of breadth-first search of ideas with pruning) and abstract thinking (which allows a programmer to, say, identify the need for a Form class on the backend to model and process POST data)? Bad programmers will just keep writing similar code to process the POST data with no abstraction about what is being done and why. Related, mathematicians use lemmas and theorems to reuse thought.
Re:Ask HN: Who hires mathematicians? by jordigh on Thursday December 07, 2017 @01:07PM (#15872425)
I think the relationship is as tenuous as being a good cook or a good chess player. Coming up with a unique recipe for cake or a good strategy for checkmate is about equally comparable to writing good code.
Re:Ask HN: Who hires mathematicians? by Myrmornis on Thursday December 07, 2017 @01:55PM (#15872884)
OK, I don't think I agree. In the area I work in, writing good code isn't so much about coming up with a clever sequence of moves; a large part of it is being adept at modeling real life situations with abstractions in software, and being adept at manipulating and combining those abstractions, and seeing when and to what extent they can be used more broadly, and knowing how to assess whether the end product is correct to the required degree.
Re:Ask HN: Who hires mathematicians? by JoeAltmaier on Thursday December 07, 2017 @10:08AM (#15870598)
Yes! Remember, FORTRAN survives because mathematicians still use it...
Re:Ask HN: Who hires mathematicians? by red_hare on Wednesday December 06, 2017 @05:52PM (#15865905)
I definitely feel the same way about my double-major in Math. My favorite super power that came from the degree is probably "being able to read a statistics text book". I turns out that lots of industries run on statistics. And, if you can read a boring text book that covers the statistics used in that industry, you suddenly understand why people are doing what they're doing in that industry; making you a domain expert.

Anything you can link to to read more about Karl Kempf? A quick google hits linked-in and paywalls.

Re:Ask HN: Who hires mathematicians? by vong on Wednesday December 06, 2017 @09:15PM (#15867063)
> Your earnings at age 25 determine your total lifetime earnings

Do you have more info on this?

Re:Ask HN: Who hires mathematicians? by mattfrommars on Saturday December 09, 2017 @09:47PM (#15889555)
I'm interested in this too. As a 27 year old, if this holds true, it's very, very frightening.