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Re:Power9 to the People by nl on Wednesday December 06, 2017 @06:28AM (#15860292)
For those complaining about the price, here's some comparisons:

"two Power9 chips, four Volta GPUs accelerators, and 256 GB of memory" =~$65,000

The NVidia DX1 (8 Tesla GPUs, 2 Xeon, so much more GPU, less CPU) is $125,000[1]

Configuring up a SuperMicro GPU server looks to be around $50,000[2]

[1] https://www.engadget.com/2016/04/05/nvidia-dgx-1-deep-learni...

[2] https://www.thinkmate.com/system/superserver-1029gq-txrt

Re:Power9 to the People by rbanffy on Wednesday December 06, 2017 @07:10AM (#15860493)
It's still an entry barrier. I can develop the software that'll run on the NVidia box on my $2000 Xeon workstation and have a reasonable expectation the $125K box will behave as expected.

While I trust POWER9 to be very fast, I have had odd performance differences (both positive - meaning I overspent in hardware and had some explaining to do - and negative - meaning I was too optimistic and had some explaining to do) when moving from x86 to SPARC, Itanium and POWER (and MIPS - I'm that old).

The Talon are good entry level POWER9 systems for reasonable prices, but I'd love to see parts trickling down to Xeon E5 prices.

If the barrier of entry is too high, only what already runs on POWER8 will move to POWER9. Xeons have good cost/performance and are a safer bet.

Re:Power9 to the People by qubex on Wednesday December 06, 2017 @08:16AM (#15860818)
I really badly want to get myself a Talon POWER9 system, but I’m scared of being stuck with another “exotic” overpriced machine (in my time I’ve owned BeBoxes and NeXTStations). Do you have one? Do you use it as a daily workstation? Can I ask you some questions about it?
Re:Power9 to the People by LukeShu on Wednesday December 06, 2017 @11:24AM (#15862322)
>Do you have one? Do you use it as a daily workstation?

Nobody does, they are still in the pre-order stage.

Re:Power9 to the People by tempfs on Wednesday December 06, 2017 @12:21PM (#15862869)
Debian is available for POWER9.

This means you'll have at least KVM so you can run nearly anything on top of that including Windows VMs with PCI-passthrough for gaming,etc.

The cost is non-trivial but I've been working up my nerve to pull the trigger and go this route.

Re:Power9 to the People by ptman on Thursday December 07, 2017 @01:47PM (#15872787)
KVM + Windows requires x86(-64) hardware. POWER9 and windows means QEMU, which is emulation and slow.
Re:Power9 to the People by torpcoms on Tuesday December 12, 2017 @11:13PM (#15911972)
Re:Power9 to the People by rbanffy on Wednesday December 06, 2017 @08:40AM (#15860947)
> in my time I’ve owned BeBoxes and NeXTStations

Now I search eBay for one. I have a couple Suns ;-)

> Do you have one? Do you use it as a daily workstation?

I wish. Can't justify the price tag for a novelty item.

Re:Power9 to the People by qubex on Wednesday December 06, 2017 @08:52AM (#15861017)
Me either. I mean... it’s comparable in price to my mainline alternative (a ”New 2018” MacPro, whatever form it may take and whenever it may be released) but the mainline alternative is sure to be a well-integrated system and fully supported by the producer and software houses alike, whereas the fascinating novelty... <shrug>
Re:Power9 to the People by nl on Wednesday December 06, 2017 @09:26AM (#15861215)
Are you both talking about the Talos POWER9 or is a Talon I can't Google for?
Re:Power9 to the People by Keyframe on Wednesday December 06, 2017 @03:11PM (#15864531)
Talos II
Re:Power9 to the People by rbanffy on Wednesday December 06, 2017 @03:56PM (#15864901)
Sorry. Spell checker.
Re:Power9 to the People by nl on Wednesday December 06, 2017 @07:12AM (#15860502)
Yeah that’s absolutely true.

The ecosystem of tuned software just isn’t as big on Power.