Student Loan Debt Is Now as Big as the U.S. Junk Bond Market

Re:Student Loan Debt Is Now as Big as the U.S. Junk Bond Market by simias on Tuesday December 05, 2017 @12:46PM (#15853693)

I don't think it's really about science, it's more about reddit. You'll find the same thing on any discussion on any somewhat popular subreddit regardless of the subject. There's almost always a reddit hivemind sanctioned Good Answer to any issue and if you stray away from the Good Path you'll get buried in downvotes, regardless of how much effort you put into arguing your point. Conversely if you make a completely useless one-liner comment agreeing with the Good Answer then you'll be showered with upvotes and propelled to the top of the page.

Upvote/downvotes are de-facto agree/disagree buttons on reddit. As a forum it's completely useless to discuss anything beyond cat pictures and funny gifs.

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Re:Student Loan Debt Is Now as Big as the U.S. Junk Bond Market by RyanZAG on Tuesday December 05, 2017 @01:03PM (#15853911)

HN isn't all that different, so it's probably about more than just reddit.

For example, you can post the same remarks criticizing functional programming in a post about C# or Java and get upvotes, while the same post in a Haskell discussion will be downvoted. You can try the experiment yourself to verify it.

This applies to companies as well - you will be upvoted for pro-Microsoft or anti-Google posts in a news topic about Microsoft, and the reverse in a news topic about Google. This is because people who use Microsoft products will be very interested in Microsoft news, but not interested enough in Google news to go and downvote opinions they disagree with there.

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Re:Student Loan Debt Is Now as Big as the U.S. Junk Bond Market by dragonwriter on Tuesday December 05, 2017 @01:05PM (#15853946)

> For example, you can post the same remarks criticizing functional programming in a post about C# or Java and get upvotes, while the same post in a Haskell discussion will be downvoted.

It's simply unreasonsble to think that the value of a comment is independent of its context.

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Re:Student Loan Debt Is Now as Big as the U.S. Junk Bond Market by RyanZAG on Tuesday December 05, 2017 @01:17PM (#15854080)

Certainly, although it's clear that the largest part of the context would be the audience that the comment is exposed to. And it also shows that the upvote and downvote feature is not used correctly here either - it's used to promote or hide comments that the viewer agrees or disagrees with.

Just the same as Reddit. It's a deeper issue than just being 'reddit', and it's more about online discussion in general.

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Re:Student Loan Debt Is Now as Big as the U.S. Junk Bond Market by simias on Tuesday December 05, 2017 @02:01PM (#15854626)

It's significantly better in my experience. It's not perfect but you can actually have a plurality of opinions on a subject. I think the fact that the community is tighter and that low karma accounts can't actually downvote help massively. Also no visible scores which reduces the "gaming" aspect. I kind of wish HN would go a little further still and ration downvotes for everybody, it shouldn't be something you throw willy-nilly.

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Re:Student Loan Debt Is Now as Big as the U.S. Junk Bond Market by RyanZAG on Tuesday December 05, 2017 @04:11PM (#15856035)

That's true. Maybe the issue is that when there's only a 'down' and an 'up' button, people infer everything into it. Maybe we should have an 'up' button for interesting posts, a 'flag' button for posts that don't add to the discussion, and 'agree' and 'disagree' buttons to make it clear that it's a different thing from upvoting a comment.

Then people could turn on or off some way to see which posts are heavily agreed or disagreed with without downvoting interesting posts just because you disagree. You could even have a system where you mark people you respect and then only see which posts they agreed with to get a more personal feel? Might be an interesting discussion board idea to pursue.

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Re:Student Loan Debt Is Now as Big as the U.S. Junk Bond Market by intended on Wednesday December 06, 2017 @06:05AM (#15860176)

The community is smaller, the barrier to finding the place are higher.

There are several factors that ensure better Signal to Noise ratios in communities.

Protective Moats, specific technical subject matter, for example.

Essentially it boils down to difficulty to engage, or non trivial effort required to engage.

The factors you mentioned have little impact on the behavior of the sub, which is mostly influenced by the people and norms of behavior, over the UI.

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