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Re:CBOE Will Start Bitcoin Futures Trading on December 10 by howeyc on Monday December 04, 2017 @10:03AM (#15844307)
This is easy to refute for crypto fans.

In your scenario, a third-party prints $159,600 USD. (aka inflation, government deficit/debt, quantitative easing...).

Time will tell who's right.

Re:CBOE Will Start Bitcoin Futures Trading on December 10 by notyourday on Monday December 04, 2017 @10:06AM (#15844328)
It does not. We have defined a totality of the market. Since it does not fit crypto-nutcases view of the world, they come up with the slogans: QE! Fiat! Inflation!

Do you at least accept that in the market described above coin value is fictitious as soon as totality of the market is value for coins is higher than $400?

[late edit]: Do note that it is not to mean that there's no money to be made before the collapse - there are tons of fools who are willing to part with it. That's why financial firms are starting to salivate looking at it.

Re:CBOE Will Start Bitcoin Futures Trading on December 10 by jstanley on Monday December 04, 2017 @10:56AM (#15844791)
Try switching the labels "USD" and "BTC" and try to work out where your argument breaks down.

When one person buys 1 USD for 400 BTC, that means the 400 USD is worth 160,000 BTC, but where are all the BTCs?

If that's not a good argument against the US dollar's viability as a currency (and it's not!) then your version is also not a good argument against Bitcoin's viability as a currency.

Re:CBOE Will Start Bitcoin Futures Trading on December 10 by notyourday on Monday December 04, 2017 @11:07AM (#15844873)
When goods and services start being quoted in BTC you would have that argument.
Re:CBOE Will Start Bitcoin Futures Trading on December 10 by jstanley on Monday December 04, 2017 @11:10AM (#15844893)
There are no goods and services inside your model.

There are only 2 currencies. Your assertion that the exchange rate is bogus because it is possible to buy 1 BTC for $400 applies just as well in the opposite direction.

Re:CBOE Will Start Bitcoin Futures Trading on December 10 by notyourday on Monday December 04, 2017 @11:49AM (#15845255)
Except that we have never seen that happen.
Re:CBOE Will Start Bitcoin Futures Trading on December 10 by jstanley on Monday December 04, 2017 @11:58AM (#15845333)
What does that even mean?

Was your $400 + 400 BTC model supposed to be an argument from first principles, or was it supposed to be a reference to some empirical evidence?

I don't think you're being as intellectually honest in this thread as you could be.

Re:CBOE Will Start Bitcoin Futures Trading on December 10 by notyourday on Monday December 04, 2017 @01:54PM (#15846404)
Ok, that was a cheap shot, I agree.

I am, however, yet to see a single article talking about USD being quoted in bitcoin. Just like I do not see any articles of USD being quoted in Samsung TVs. I do see bitcoin being quoted in USD. I see USD being quoted in Euros and I see Euros being quoted in USD.

That's why Sansung TVs and BTCs are not currency while USD and Euros are. So BTC is asset. Assets in an non-liquid markets are prone to enormous bubbles.

Re:CBOE Will Start Bitcoin Futures Trading on December 10 by npongratz on Monday December 04, 2017 @11:06AM (#15844868)
> ... crypto-nutcases view of the world ...

I'd suggest that discussing your point without the ad hominems makes for a stronger argument.

Re:CBOE Will Start Bitcoin Futures Trading on December 10 by twayamznacct on Monday December 04, 2017 @01:01PM (#15845947)
Kinda like how a third-party prints USDT in the cryptocurrency case ;)