Re:CBOE Will Start Bitcoin Futures Trading on December 10
by wpietri on Monday December 04, 2017 @09:58AM
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Could you say more about why you think the futures would crash further? My understanding is that these are cash settled, so this isn't like a normal commodities market where you actually have to deliver the underlying.
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Re:CBOE Will Start Bitcoin Futures Trading on December 10
by rb808 on Monday December 04, 2017 @10:31AM
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That's the interesting part we're going to find out.
Yes they're cash settled on the expiry date so on the 3rd Friday of the month the future that expires that date will have the same price as BTC.
When there is time to expiry though, what is the mechanism that keeps the prices aligned? If BTC is difficult to short natively, there isn't an easy way to keep the futures at fair price.
IE if BTC is worth 10k and someone keeps selling futures down to 9.5k, why would BTC drop? Only if a buyer chooses not to buy BTC but buys the future instead. But if the future keeps dropping those guys will get scared off.
The real thing is no one knows so we'll find out soon if/how this will work.
Re:CBOE Will Start Bitcoin Futures Trading on December 10
by solotronics on Monday December 04, 2017 @11:43AM
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the cash settled futures market is more like you betting your neighbor $100 that the price of BTC will rise by a certain date. the futures exchange acts as the bookie and just exists to track the BTC price on the crypo exchanges and settle the futures contracts ( bets ).
Re:CBOE Will Start Bitcoin Futures Trading on December 10
by kgwgk on Monday December 04, 2017 @12:22PM
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But the bet is open to anyone and, as the parent said, if the future is much cheaper than the real thing the people who want to get exposure may use the future (removing demand from BTC) and if the future is much more expensive arbitrageurs will sell futures and buy BTC at the same time (adding demand).
Re:CBOE Will Start Bitcoin Futures Trading on December 10
by lawlessone on Monday December 04, 2017 @10:17AM
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If they're cash settled doesn't that mean nobody even has to buy more bitcoin? Just a bucket shop?
Re:CBOE Will Start Bitcoin Futures Trading on December 10
by vasilipupkin on Monday December 04, 2017 @01:41PM
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yes. To speculate on bitcoin nobody ever needs to buy any bitcoin anymore, if futures gain significant volume.