Re:Reflecting on Haskell in 2017
by tree_of_item on Monday December 04, 2017 @02:41AM
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I'm aware that they're syntax sugar. I'm saying syntax sugar is bad. It's especially bad when there are dozens of mutually incompatible sugars. It's double especially bad when the base language is already one of the most complicated ones around.
> there are dozens of mutually incompatible sugars
If you think there are dozens then I challenge you to name a few ...
(I can't, off the top of my head, think of any but I don't deny there may be some.)
The base language is actually very small - you do need to know a lot on top to get anything done but arguably that's true with most languages.
Re:Reflecting on Haskell in 2017
by tathougies on Monday December 04, 2017 @06:59PM
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There are very few mutually incompatible sugars.
So in pragmatic terms, enabling/disabling "extensions" lets you prevent some unnecessary processing loads during compilation.
Obviously one can do everything in "vanilla" (no-"extensions") Haskell just like one could express everything in raw Lambda Calculus. Syntax sugars as always allow for reducing patterns of verbosity --- those provided by "extensions" tend to be such patterns-of-verbosity that don't always occur in-all-projects-all-the-time, just in enough-projects-much-of-the-time.
Most of the aversion to them seems kneejerk "but my other language had another (or none at all) approach to this" --- never understood the strong opinions about GHC extensions. "Other-language" typically also delights in a culture of repetetively verbose syntax itself and no such APIs to hack new language constructs into the compiler in a plug-and-play manner (without forking).
And yes one can enable these via cabal file or GHC -X flags, but there's something to be said for per-module pragmas: they only activate where needed, and it aids the code reader as to what non-vanilla syntactic constructs are used in the-module-at-hand.