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Re:Mal Lisp for TempleOS by gravypod on Sunday December 03, 2017 @07:04PM (#15840441)
I'd love to see HolyC ported to Linux. The language seems like a pleasure to use with some interesting features.
Re:Mal Lisp for TempleOS by ebzzry on Sunday December 03, 2017 @07:26PM (#15840539)
Re:Mal Lisp for TempleOS by davidgerard on Monday December 04, 2017 @04:46AM (#15842728)
> This tool is in super-hella-mega alpha stage. If you use this, you will die. Or worse, your current operating system will be replaced with TempleOS.
Re:Mal Lisp for TempleOS by partycoder on Sunday December 03, 2017 @07:27PM (#15840543)
TempleOS has many interesting features, but remember that TempleOS is rather different at a very fundamental level.

Meaning, both kernel and userland run on a privileged ring, the file system has no permissions, etc. This is not a flaw but it is rather by design.

This is a paradigm that might be incompatible to that of Linux.

However, I think there is potential for porting things. Some good articles about Temple OS are:

- http://www.codersnotes.com/notes/a-constructive-look-at-temp...

- https://www.jwhitham.org/2015/07/porting-third-party-program...

Re:Mal Lisp for TempleOS by na85 on Sunday December 03, 2017 @10:49PM (#15841329)
>This is not a flaw but it is rather by design.

Are you sure it isn't both? Designs can be flawed.

Re:Mal Lisp for TempleOS by partycoder on Sunday December 03, 2017 @11:07PM (#15841382)
Well, since TempleOS doesn't support network interface cards, and because of there is no known TempleOS malware, I think TempleOS users are safe for the time being. The most likely way they can get harmed is by misusing the OS or through a killer poke (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killer_poke).

The objective of TempleOS is not to become a mainstream operating system. The objective of TempleOS, in Terry Davis' words is to create a temple for god. Not any temple, but the "third temple" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Temple).

Re:Mal Lisp for TempleOS by ams6110 on Sunday December 03, 2017 @10:55PM (#15841350)
GP is just meaning it's deliberately that way, not an oversight or other "flaw"
Re:Mal Lisp for TempleOS by hateduser2 on Sunday December 03, 2017 @10:55PM (#15841347)
They probably meant that its not an accidental flaw, and if its a flaw its aware of the shortcomings. In other words its a measured deciscion, not a rough edge which will be ironed out.

Unrelated, I really dislike comments like yours. Something about it seems very hostile to me.

Re:Mal Lisp for TempleOS by Guthur on Sunday December 03, 2017 @11:29PM (#15841446)
Lacking insight or a thoughtful line of questioning, but hardly what i would describe as hostile.
Re:Mal Lisp for TempleOS by hateduser2 on Monday December 04, 2017 @03:28AM (#15842451)
I suppose I read it as theyre perfectly aware of my comment, and choose to make theres anyways. There are people (Myself included, in the past, hopefully no longer) who do that.

I had a phase as a trump supporter who didn't care for what was true, but rather what was successful in conversation. What was strong. Intentionally dumb comments are strong sometimes. Its easy to shit on people for taking your intentionally dumb comment seriously, and if you really walk the line so that its not clear at all if youre being intentionally dumb or truly dumb, you can say very hateful things and be fairly well self supported, so that no one can really insult you in reply, or at least, that was my experience trollling around on reddit (and at times here, on a past account, which I was banned for).

Also I was hesitant to admit that I was banned previously, but I'm sure they have the data if they want it, and I'm making an effort to not repeat that behavior (and to me it seems like im not oing too bad a job) so hopefully they don't feel malice towards me (although they should feel some).

Re:Mal Lisp for TempleOS by rodgerd on Monday December 04, 2017 @03:39AM (#15842495)
> who didn't care for what was true, but rather what was successful in conversation. What was strong. Intentionally dumb comments are strong sometimes. Its easy to shit on people for taking your intentionally dumb comment seriously, and if you really walk the line so that its not clear at all if youre being intentionally dumb or truly dumb, you can say very hateful things and be fairly well self supported, so that no one can really insult you in reply, or at least, that was my experience trollling around on reddit (and at times here, on a past account, which I was banned for).

Satre described this many years ago:

> “Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.”

Re:Mal Lisp for TempleOS by bagnalla on Sunday December 03, 2017 @09:02PM (#15840954)
HolyC is great -- default arguments and built-in exception handling are big pluses over C. There are a few shortcomings, though, such as the lack of short-circuiting logical operators and some unfortunate behavior related to variable declarations within nested scopes (just avoid doing that IMO).
Re:Mal Lisp for TempleOS by andyjohnson0 on Monday December 04, 2017 @07:38AM (#15843379)
> lack of short-circuiting logical operators

I'm curious about the reason for this - does anyone know why they were implemented this way?

Re:Mal Lisp for TempleOS by otakucode on Monday December 04, 2017 @11:16AM (#15844947)
Probably because God commanded it.
Re:Mal Lisp for TempleOS by bfuller on Tuesday December 05, 2017 @11:59AM (#15853083)
You are being downvoted but many many times have I asked a question regarding templeos and that is the actual answer
Re:Mal Lisp for TempleOS by zaarn on Monday December 04, 2017 @02:35AM (#15842199)
The issues can probably be fixed by writing a bit of a better compiler, HolyC2 maybe?
Re:Mal Lisp for TempleOS by bagnalla on Monday December 04, 2017 @11:27AM (#15845047)
I've thought about using this Lisp interpreter to bootstrap a compiler for a new language, probably targeting HolyC. If someone were to write some decent lexer/parser generator tools in HolyC it would go a long way in making something like that possible.
Re:Mal Lisp for TempleOS by dawnbreez on Monday December 04, 2017 @12:06PM (#15845398)
Call it Protestant.
Re:Mal Lisp for TempleOS by breakingcups on Monday December 04, 2017 @03:19AM (#15842427)
Alternatively, HolyC++ or HolyD.
Re:Mal Lisp for TempleOS by mmjaa on Monday December 04, 2017 @08:18AM (#15843564)
HolyMoly, duh.
Re:Mal Lisp for TempleOS by zaarn on Monday December 04, 2017 @04:38AM (#15842703)
Ideally a HolyC++ would be able to compile normal HolyC without any changes to the source while also adding new stuff and while not being C++ in the process. That all would be very neat.
Re:Mal Lisp for TempleOS by snvzz on Monday December 04, 2017 @07:47AM (#15843416)
More like unholy.
Re:Mal Lisp for TempleOS by colemannugent on Sunday December 03, 2017 @08:40PM (#15840853)
Inline graphics are pretty crazy. Might be useful for documentation though. Hyperlinks would make navigating large projects easier.

Terry is a very interesting guy. He pops up every now and then.

Re:Mal Lisp for TempleOS by zaarn on Monday December 04, 2017 @02:36AM (#15842206)
Probably won't pop up anymore, he quit TempleOS, deleted most of the website, went on some trip to nature and has been arrested last I checked.

It's quite sad to not be able to see such dedication to a project.

Re:Mal Lisp for TempleOS by whatisausername on Monday December 04, 2017 @03:16AM (#15842417)
He did not quit TempleOS completely. He just went "monk-style" and deleted """only""" the documentation and such. He still uses it. Recently it seems that he is off of his medication and is going kind of crazy. Really sad to see such a talented guy getting fucked by schizophrenia.
Re:Mal Lisp for TempleOS by willvarfar on Monday December 04, 2017 @04:58AM (#15842781)
Has he been arrested? There was a lot of tech news coverage of his warrant back around 3rd November, and he was on the run. Has he been caught?
Re:Mal Lisp for TempleOS by zaarn on Monday December 04, 2017 @05:21AM (#15842864)
Afaik, yes, he's been arrested, there was some post on it in one of the TempleOS subreddits.
Re:Mal Lisp for TempleOS by mhd on Monday December 04, 2017 @07:08AM (#15843276)
"One of the TempleOS subreddits" is a phrase that's taking me a bit to digest…
Re:Mal Lisp for TempleOS by zaarn on Monday December 04, 2017 @08:55AM (#15843786)
Terry has quite a collection of fans... despite is racist outbursts at times.

I personally find some of his videos in which he explains the inner workings of TempleOS to be very refreshing and interesting.

Re:Mal Lisp for TempleOS by bfuller on Tuesday December 05, 2017 @12:01PM (#15853110)
He will pop up. I feel sorry for the guy, live streaming really fucked him up.

If only he never was given that drum set...