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Re:Uber’s Losses Widen as SoftBank Launches Bid to Buy Shares by dalbasal on Thursday November 30, 2017 @12:45PM (#15817712)
What happens to stock which isn't part of the IPO? Ie, all the stock owned by employees, investors, etc? Does it become instantly tradeable?

I would imagine that considering the long road, a lot of people are really ready to sell. There are lots of owners that will have achieved 50X or more return, even at a low market cap. Former employees with option strike prices @ £20m, early investors that got in @ £150m....

That means far too much of their net worth is in Uber. They need out regardless of fundamentals. They've probably felt this way for a while. Meanwhile all the shifty news about workplace bullying, an ousted ceo, legal battles.

I guess this applies to all IPOs. Why don't prices plummet as soon as all the people who want out can get out?

Re:Uber’s Losses Widen as SoftBank Launches Bid to Buy Shares by exelius on Thursday November 30, 2017 @02:40PM (#15818827)
I've heard anecdotes that this is indeed the case at Uber. Lots of senior engineers / techs are burned out but can't afford to quit without abandoning their options. Many of them don't do any work at all, and Uber is fine with it because they don't want a mass exodus before the IPO. This is not uncommon around the Valley, but I hear it's especially problematic at Uber. I'm sure it's a continued drag on earnings, but probably not big enough to make a dent in the driver payment gap.

But I honestly doubt that Uber will ever make it to IPO; at least not an IPO that pays off employees in any meaningful way. Their business model is basically "buy for $10 and sell for $8" -- it's fundamentally flawed, and they're about to get a whole bunch of competition in the form of self-driving fleet management. New challengers wouldn't have the overhead of Uber's legacy infrastructure / driver incentives / etc. and much of the tech that made Uber unique has been commoditized. I doubt their IPO will even cover the late-stage investment they've received; much of their valuation was based on brand value which has been thoroughly destroyed by recent scandals.

Re:Uber’s Losses Widen as SoftBank Launches Bid to Buy Shares by Analemma_ on Thursday November 30, 2017 @06:36PM (#15820667)
Wow, is this a real phenomenon? This is fascinating.

I would love for one of these people to speak on the record about this, but I imagine that’ll never happen.

Re:Uber’s Losses Widen as SoftBank Launches Bid to Buy Shares by smeyer on Thursday November 30, 2017 @01:44PM (#15818320)
There are lockup periods that prevent them selling.

https://www.investopedia.com/ask/answer/12/ipo-lockup-period...

>For example, Facebook's IPO lock up prevented the sale of 271 million shares during the company's first three months of public ownership. FB hit an all-time low of $19.69 the day its first lock-up period ended, a price about 50% lower than the share price on the day the company went public. Further restrictions prevented the sale of another 1.66 billion shares through mid-2013. Facebook's unusual lock-up policy released insider shares at five different dates.

Re:Uber’s Losses Widen as SoftBank Launches Bid to Buy Shares by rconti on Thursday November 30, 2017 @08:26PM (#15821237)
All the more reason to quit just before the IPO! (assuming they own the shares)
Re:Uber’s Losses Widen as SoftBank Launches Bid to Buy Shares by hobbyjogger on Thursday November 30, 2017 @02:25PM (#15818696)
Nearly all insiders (i.e. management, investors, employees, etc.) will be subject to a "lock-up" on an IPO that prevents them from selling immediately. Typically the lock-up lasts for 180 days, but this can vary.

Share price does often drop when the lock-up expires, but usually not as much as you'd expect--the number of restricted shares to be release and resulting liquidity effects of that expiration are well know and disclosed in public filings. So this mostly gets baked into pricing well in advance.