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Re:HP installs system-slowing spyware on its PCs by _jal on Tuesday November 28, 2017 @10:57AM (#15798360)
Yep. I don't know why people fail to understand this. As one comparison, Debian supports their user base; Microsoft supports their business model[1].

I also don't understand why anyone who cares about these issues would buy HP - they're establishing a great track record as a company that really wants to spy on their customers[2]. Almost worse than that is how incompetent they've been about it - a couple years ago it was FinFisher, and I believe they somewhat recently shipped a key logger in a driver by apparent accident.

For my part, my machines save one run OSes that expose full control of the machine[3]. OSes that don't, like other untrusted software, run in VMs so that I can still control them. Windows instances don't get network access anymore. I only use it for a couple apps that do what they need to do, so the bottled demon doesn't need updates until underlying needs change. It makes life much easier when a whole class of problems can't happen.

[1] Which is as it is 'supposed to be', as the rules are currently written.

[2] Not to mention board members...

[3] Yes, cellphones; not a novel observation. That's a different discussion that I've had several times here.

Re:HP installs system-slowing spyware on its PCs by zamber on Tuesday November 28, 2017 @12:38PM (#15799420)
Explains why I don't see any HP laptops in the wild no more. Pretty much Apples and Dells everywhere with an odd Lenovo here and there.
Re:HP installs system-slowing spyware on its PCs by cbcoutinho on Tuesday November 28, 2017 @12:46PM (#15799498)
HP is abundant in the world of cheap enterprise laptops for employees. I would never buy one, but I don't care much about what the business I work for wants to buy its newcomers.

After about a year, I made it clear to my boss that I was much more valuable to the company running in a Linux system. They 'found' some extra budget and made it happen, and I'm very pleased with that, but I don't disagree with their first decision to just get a simple HP.

Re:HP installs system-slowing spyware on its PCs by jaxondu on Tuesday November 28, 2017 @01:49PM (#15800148)
HP is number 1 in worldwide notebook market https://www.idropnews.com/news/macbook-sales-push-apple-no-4...
Re:HP installs system-slowing spyware on its PCs by knolan on Tuesday November 28, 2017 @01:59PM (#15800250)
Everyone is our company is issued a HP hunk of garbage. Mine sits on top of a set of drawers buried under some manuals. Almost everyone in our team has a Mac, a custom built PC or some other nice machine.

I boot the HP probably once a year to blindly click through the flash based corporate training that one of us draws the short straw to write down the answers for.

Re:HP installs system-slowing spyware on its PCs by caelus on Tuesday November 28, 2017 @11:51PM (#15804660)
...get a new job?
Re:HP installs system-slowing spyware on its PCs by gerdesj on Tuesday November 28, 2017 @02:34PM (#15800606)
Happy enough HPE lappy user here.

I was able to get Arch on it without accepting the Win 10 license.