Re:What to Worry About in This Surreal Bull Market
by schrodinger on Tuesday November 28, 2017 @07:58AM
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Wouldn’t companies with a strong international presence (e.g. Apple) contribute to that? It seems like increased globalization could explain that high ratio rather than “overvaluation.”
Re:What to Worry About in This Surreal Bull Market
by dannyw on Tuesday November 28, 2017 @08:07AM
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That would be counted in America's GDP.
The metric as designed is more flawed, because not all companies are public.
Re:What to Worry About in This Surreal Bull Market
by gok on Tuesday November 28, 2017 @01:53PM
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Exports contribute to GDP but sales between foreign subsidiaries do not. So a Toyota made in Toyota-owned Kentucky factory contributes to the US GDP. This is in contrast to GNP; that US-made Toyota would count towards Japan's GNP.
Re:What to Worry About in This Surreal Bull Market
by stonemetal on Tuesday November 28, 2017 @08:27AM
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Is the value of stock supposed to equal the GDP?
It is my understanding that the value of a stock should be equal to present value of future cash flows. If those future cash flows are growing faster than the discount rate then a value higher than 100% of GDP is to be expected.
Re:What to Worry About in This Surreal Bull Market
by crazygringo on Tuesday November 28, 2017 @09:47AM
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Agreed. I've never come across this particular metric before, but intuitively I would have expected something more akin to a P/E ratio in the 10's or even 20's, not a factor of 1x.
Can anyone explain here why the stock market cap isn't much, much higher than a single year's GDP?
Is it because GDP is essentially "revenue" while market cap is "discounted future profits" -- and thus 20 years of 5% profit is going to be on the same order of magnitude of 1 year of revenue?
Re:What to Worry About in This Surreal Bull Market
by the_gastropod on Tuesday November 28, 2017 @10:02AM
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There are only ~5,000 publicly traded companies in the U.S. There are about 25 Million small businesses in the U.S. The stock market cap represents a tiny portion of the entire U.S. economy.
It's basically the value of US companies on the stock market divided by the GDP, $27 trillion / $20 trillion = 135%.
Although it makes you wonder about if all that stashed money overseas is having a significant impact on that.