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Re:A basic income could boost the US economy by $2.5 trillion by stretchwithme on Monday November 27, 2017 @12:37PM (#15789191)
Crime is caused more by envy for what others have and a failure to understand the role of work in getting what you want.

Basic income will only FEED these two problems.

Re:A basic income could boost the US economy by $2.5 trillion by bunderbunder on Monday November 27, 2017 @12:49PM (#15789296)
You might be surprised to learn how many people get into jobs like drug dealing because it's the career option in their community that pays better than minimum wage.

Crime also tends to correlate negatively with wealth redistribution, not positively. Correlation != causation, natch, but it's also the case that if your causative claim were true, then one would expect the correlation to be positive rather than negative.

Re:A basic income could boost the US economy by $2.5 trillion by stretchwithme on Monday November 27, 2017 @01:21PM (#15789665)
I don't consider selling products to people to be a crime.
Re:A basic income could boost the US economy by $2.5 trillion by bunderbunder on Monday November 27, 2017 @01:41PM (#15789869)
It's generally an entry level position in a company that operates in the "organized crime" market sector.
Re:A basic income could boost the US economy by $2.5 trillion by stretchwithme on Monday November 27, 2017 @04:11PM (#15791437)
Only where it is illegal.

If victimless crimes like gambling, high interest lending, drug use and adult prostitution were all legal, there be less of a reason for organized crime to exist.

My feeling is that this sort of things should be regulated at a neighborhood level, so that it is possible to not have them in some neighborhoods where they are unpopular, while still being accessible in other not-too-distant areas where people do want them.

In any case, such trade is not a crime that would go away with basic income. People will have MORE to spend on vices, actually.

I think there are plenty of people on disability who also use opioids. That would be a lot harder without that money.

Re:A basic income could boost the US economy by $2.5 trillion by pavel_lishin on Monday November 27, 2017 @12:58PM (#15789398)
Doesn't it depend on the crime? Someone breaking in and stealing my television to sell for drug money isn't envious of my TV; he just needs to get high. Someone engaged in a hit-and-run isn't envious of my car, they just can't afford car insurance and know that if they stick around they're very likely going to lose their license, car, and the ability to get to work.

Sure, some crime is due to just people being too lazy to get a job, but it's not a universal cause.

Re:A basic income could boost the US economy by $2.5 trillion by stretchwithme on Monday November 27, 2017 @01:22PM (#15789678)
Of course. But nobody is doing hit and runs so they can make a living.
Re:A basic income could boost the US economy by $2.5 trillion by pavel_lishin on Tuesday November 28, 2017 @06:43AM (#15796304)
They don't do the hit to make a living, but they might commit the run to continue doing so.
Re:A basic income could boost the US economy by $2.5 trillion by stretchwithme on Tuesday November 28, 2017 @04:29PM (#15801946)
Sure, but that has nothing to do with making a living or basic income so I fail to see the point of discussing that particular crime.

When I said "Crime is caused more by envy", I was not making an absolute statement about all kinds of crime.