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Re:Announcing Rust 1.22 by DSMan195276 on Saturday November 25, 2017 @04:17PM (#15778037)
Sorry for not responding sooner, but I agree with you completely that the right thing to do is not to focus on "how many" `unsafe` lines you have, but how well encapsulated they are into a module that can't be broken by outside input. And I'm glad we both see this. My "problem" is less that `unsafe` doesn't do the things I mentioned, but that whenever Rust and `unsafe` come-up there tends to be lots of people who don't understand what it is, or how it works, and I think that is a very dangerous mindset because it leads to completely pointless (and dangerous, from a safety perspective) stuff like how that paper literally measured how many lines were `unsafe` and displayed it as a percentage to prove their code was good.

With all that said, while this is a separate topic, I think that the complete lack of a spec for lots of details surrounding `unsafe` makes it still basically impossible to do correctly. I think Rust really needs some type of language spec, but it doesn't look like any work is being done on that front [0].

[0] https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/30500 - I apologize for this link being a bit of a rabbit-hole, but I think the whole thing is a very interesting read. It continues on here (https://github.com/rust-lang/rfcs/issues/1447), and then to a repo for a Rust Memory Model specification here (https://github.com/nikomatsakis/rust-memory-model). Unfortunately, as you can probably tell, those conversions started in Dec 2015, and any real work on this front seems to have stalled almost a year ago.

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