Re:I'm Testifying to Congress about Data Breaches – What Sho...
by MaxBarraclough on Thursday November 23, 2017 @05:28AM
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> Folks seem to like my "polluting a river" analogy in the parent comment.
Yes, definitely!
Eben Moglen makes exactly this point in his lecture, Snowden and the Future Part III. He puts it as privacy being 'ecological not transactional', and uses 'pollution' as you have.
I can't resist an extended quote; Moglen puts it very eloquently:
> Those who wish to earn off you want to define privacy as a thing you transact about with them, just the two of you. They offer you free email service, in response to which you let them read all the mail, and that's that. It's just a transaction between two parties. They offer you free web hosting for your social communications, in return for watching everybody look at everything. They assert that's a transaction in which only the parties themselves are engaged.
> This is a convenient fraudulence. Another misdirection, misleading, and plain lying proposition. Because — as I suggested in the analytic definition of the components of privacy — privacy is always a relation among people. It is not transactional, an agreement between a listener or a spy or a peephole keeper and the person being spied on.
> If you accept this supposedly bilateral offer, to provide email service for you for free as long as it can all be read, then everybody who corresponds with you has been subjected to the bargain, which was supposedly bilateral in nature.
Yes, definitely!
Eben Moglen makes exactly this point in his lecture, Snowden and the Future Part III. He puts it as privacy being 'ecological not transactional', and uses 'pollution' as you have.
I can't resist an extended quote; Moglen puts it very eloquently:
> Those who wish to earn off you want to define privacy as a thing you transact about with them, just the two of you. They offer you free email service, in response to which you let them read all the mail, and that's that. It's just a transaction between two parties. They offer you free web hosting for your social communications, in return for watching everybody look at everything. They assert that's a transaction in which only the parties themselves are engaged.
> This is a convenient fraudulence. Another misdirection, misleading, and plain lying proposition. Because — as I suggested in the analytic definition of the components of privacy — privacy is always a relation among people. It is not transactional, an agreement between a listener or a spy or a peephole keeper and the person being spied on.
> If you accept this supposedly bilateral offer, to provide email service for you for free as long as it can all be read, then everybody who corresponds with you has been subjected to the bargain, which was supposedly bilateral in nature.
Full transcript+video+audio at http://snowdenandthefuture.info/PartIII.html